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Forex Trading in Kenya.

Someone posted on here a few days ago asking about forex and forex trading in Kenya, I have gone through the responses and clearly, most people don’t have an idea. It is 3am in the morning and am in a good mood so let me make this post. This will be a comprehensive and lengthy post so grab a pen and paper and sit down. We’ll be here a while.
FIRST OF ALL, who am I..?
I am a forex trader, in Nairobi, Kenya..i have been actively involved in forex since I found out about it in Feb 2016 when I somehow ended up in a wealth creation seminar (lol) in pride inn Westlands, the one close to Mpaka Rd. Luckily for me, it was not one of those AIM global meetings or I’d be on Facebook selling God knows what those guys sell. I did not take it seriously till August of the same year and I have been active ever since.
I don’t teach, mentor or sell a course or signals, I trade my own money. I am also posting from a throwaway account because I don’t want KRA on my ass.
What the fuck is forex and forex trading.
In simple plain English, forex is like the stock market but for currencies. Stock Market = Shares, forex = currencies. If you want more in-depth explanation, google is your friend.
These currencies are pegged on specific countries, united states- dollar, UK- pound, euro zone- euro, Switzerland- Swiss franc, Kenya- Kenya shilling.. you get the point. Now, there are specific events and happenings between these economies that affect the movement and values of the currencies, driving their value (purchasing power up and down). Forex trading exploits these movements to make money. When the value is going up, we buy and vice versa (down –sell)
Is forex trading illegal in Kenya? Is it a scam?
Illegal, no. scam, no. All the banks in the world do it (KCB made about 4 billion from trading forex in 2019)
Have there been scams involving forex in Kenya?
Yes. Here is one that happened recently. This one is the most infamous one yet. Best believe that this is not the end of these type of scams because the stupidity, greed and gullibility of human beings is unfathomable.
However, by the end of this post, I hope you won’t fall for such silliness.
What next how do I make it work..?
Am glad you asked. Generally, there are two ways to go about it. One, you teach yourself. This is the equivalent of stealing our dad’s car and hoping that the pedal you hit is the brake and not the accelerator. It is the route I took, it is the most rewarding and a huge ego boost when you finally make it on your own. Typically, this involves scouring the internet for hours upon hours going down rabbit holes, thinking you have made it telling all your friends how you will be a millionaire then losing all your money. Some people do not have the stomach for that.
The second route is more practical, structured and smarter.
First Learn the basics. There is a free online forex course at www.babypips.com/learn/forex this is merely an introductory course. Basically it is learning the parts of a car before they let you inside the car.
Second, start building your strategy. By the time you are done with the babypips, you will have a feel of what the forex market is, what interests you, etc. Tip..Babypips has a lot of garbage. It is good for introductory purposes but not good for much else, pick whatever stick to you or jumps at you the first time. Nonsense like indicators should be ignored.
The next step is now the most important. Developing the skill and building your strategy. As a beginner, you want to exhaust your naivety before jumping into the more advanced stuff. Eg can you identify a trend, what is a pair, what is position sizing, what is metatrader 4 and how to operate it, what news is good for a currency, when can I trade, what are the different trading sessions, what is technical analysis, what is market sentiment, what are bullish conditions what is emotion management, how does my psychology affect my trading (more on this later) an I a swing, scalper or day trader etc
Mentors and forex courses.. you have probably seen people advertising how they can teach and mentor you on how to trade forex and charging so much money for it. Somehow it seems that these people are focused on the teaching than the trading. Weird, right..? Truth is trading is hard, teaching not quite. A common saying in the industry is “Those who can’t trade, teach” you want to avoid all these gurus on Facebook and Instagram, some are legit but most are not. Sifting the wheat from the chaff is hard but I did that for you. The info is available online on YouTube, telegram channels etc. am not saying not to spend money on a course, if you find a mentor whose style resonates with you and the course is reasonably priced, please, go ahead and buy..it will cut your learning curve in half. People are different. What worked for me might not work for you.
Here are some nice YouTube channels to watch. These guys are legit..
  1. Sam sieden
  2. Cuebanks
  3. TheCoinFx
  4. The trading channel
  5. Astro
  6. Forex family
  7. Wicksdontlie
Advanced stuff
  1. ICT
After a short period of time, you will be able to sniff out bs teachers with relative ease. You will also discover some of your own and expand the list. Two tips, start with the oldest videos first and whichever of these resonates with you, stick with till the wheels fall off.
How long will it take until things start making sense
Give yourself time to grow and learn. This is all new to you and you are allowed to make mistakes, to fail and discover yourself. Realistically, depending on the effort you put in, you will not start seeing results until after 6 months. Could take longeshorter so there is no guarantee.
Social media, Mentality, Psychology and Books
Online, forex trading might not have the best reputation online because it takes hard work and scammers and gurus give it a bad name. However, try to not get sucked into the Instagram trader lifestyle as it is nowhere close to what the reality is. You will not make millions tomorrow or the day after, you might never even make it in this market. But that is the reality of life. Nothing is promised, nothing is guaranteed.
Your mentality, beliefs and ego will be challenged in this market. You will learn things that will make you blood boil, you will ask yourself daily, how is this possible, why don’t they teach this in school..bla bla bla..it will be hard but growth is painful, if it wasn’t we’d all be billionaires. Take a break, take a walk, drink a glass of whatever you like or roll one..detox. Chill with your girl (or man) Gradually you will develop mental toughness that will set you up for life. Personally, I sorta ditched religion and picked up stoicism. Whatever works for you.
Psychology, this is unfortunately one of the most neglected aspects of your personal development in this journey. Do you believe in yourself? Can you stand by your convictions when everyone is against you? Can you get up every day uncertain of the future? There will be moments where you will question yourself, am I even doing the right thing? the right way? It is normal and essential for your growth. People who played competitive sports have a natural advantage here. Remember the game is first won in your head then on the pitch.
Books: ironically, books that helped me the most were the mindset books, Think and grow rich, trading for a living, 4 hour work week, the monk who sold his Ferrari..just google mindset and psychology books, most trading books are garbage. Watch and listen to people who have made it in the investing business. Ray Dalio, warren, Bill Ackman and Carl Icahn.
This is turning out to be lengthier than I anticipated so I’ll try to be brief for the remaining parts.
Brokers
You will need to open up an account with a broker. Get a broker who is regulated. Australian ones (IC Market and Pepperstone) are both legit, reliable and regulated. Do your research. I’d avoid local ones because I’ve heard stories of wide spreads and liquidity problems. International brokers have never failed me. There are plenty brokers, there is no one size fits all recommendation. If it ain’t broke..don’t fix it.
Money transfer.
All brokers accept wire transfers, you might need to call your bank to authorize that, avoid Equity bank. Stanchart and Stanbic are alright. Large withdrawals $10k+ you will have to call them prior. Get Skrill and Neteller if you don’t like banks like me, set up a Bitcoin wallet for faster withdrawals, (Payoneer and Paypal are accepted by some brokers, just check with them.)
How much money can I make..?
I hate this question because people have perceived ceilings of income in their minds, eg 1 million ksh is too much to make per month or 10,000ksh is too little. Instead, work backwards. What % return did I make this month/ on this trade. Safaricom made 19.5% last year, if you make 20% you have outperformed them. If you reach of consistency where you can make x% per month on whatever money you have, then there are no limits to how much you can make.
How much money do I need to start with..?
Zero. You have all the resources above, go forth. There are brokers who provide free bonuses and withdraw-able profits. However, to make a fulltime income you will need some serious cash. Generally, 50,000 kes. You can start lower or higher but if you need say 20k to live comfortably and that is a 10% return per month, then you can do the math on how big your account should be. Of course things like compound interest come into play but that is dependent on your skill level. I have seen people do spectacular things with very little funds.
Taxes..?
Talk to a lawyer or an accountant. I am neither.
Family? Friends?
Unfortunately, people will not understand why you spend hundreds of hours watching strangers on the internet so it is best to keep it from them. Eventually you will make it work and they will come to your corner talking about how they always knew you’d make it.
The journey will be lonely, make some trading buddies along the way. You’d be surprised at how easy it is when people are united by their circumstances (and stupidity) I have guys who are my bros from South Africa and Lebanon who I have never met but we came up together and are now homies. Join forums, ask questions and grow. That is the only way to learn. Ideally, a group of 5-10 friends committed to learning and growth is the best model. Pushing each other to grow and discovering together.
Forex is real and you can do amazing things with it. It is not a get rich quick scheme. If you want a quick guaranteed income, get a job.
And now it is 5am, fuck.
This is oversimplified and leaves out many many aspects.
Happy to answer any questions.
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My First Year of Trading

So here it is, three more days and October begins, which marks one year of trading for me. I figured I would contribute to the forum and share some of my experience, a little about me, and what I've learned so far. Whoever wants to listen, that's great. This might get long so buckle up..
Three years ago, I was visiting Toronto. I don't get out much, but my roommate at the time travels there occasionally. He asked everyone at our place if we wanted to come along for a weekend. My roommate has an uncle that lives there and we didn't have to worry about a hotel because his uncle owns a small house that's unlived in which we could stay at. I was the only one to go with. Anyways, we walk around the city, seeing the sights and whatnot.
My friend says to me "where next?"
"I don't know, you're the tour guide"
"We can go check out Bay Street"
"what's 'Bay Street?'"
"It's like the Canadian Wall street! If you haven't seen it you gotta see it!"
Walking along Bay, I admire all the nice buildings and architecture, everything seems larger than life to me. I love things like that. The huge granite facades with intricate designs and towering pillars to make you think, How the fuck did they make that? My attention pivots to a man walking on the sidewalk opposite us. His gait stood out among everyone, he walked with such a purpose.. He laughed into the cell phone to his ear. In the elbow-shoving city environment, he moved with a stride that exuded a power which not only commanded respect, but assumed it. I bet HE can get a text back, hell he's probably got girls waiting on him. This dude was dressed to kill, a navy suit that you could just tell from across the street was way out of my budget, it was a nice fucking suit. I want that. His life, across the street, seemed a world a way from my own. I've worn a suit maybe twice in my life. For my first communion, it was too big for me, I was eleven or whatever so who gives a shit, right? I'm positive I looked ridiculous. The other time? I can't remember.
I want that. I want the suit. I want the wealth, the independence. I want the respect and power, and I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about it.
Cue self doubt.
Well, He's probably some rich banker's son. That's a world you're born into. I don't know shit about it. \sigh* keep walking..*

A year later, I'm visiting my parents at their house, they live an hour away from my place. My dad is back from Tennessee, his engineering job was laying people off and he got canned... Or he saw the end was near and just left... I don't know, hard to pay attention to the guy honestly because he kind of just drones on and on. ("Wait, so your mom lives in Michigan, but your dad moved to Tennessee... for a job?" Yea man, I don't fucking know, not going to touch on that one.) The whole project was a shit show that was doomed to never get done, the way he tells it. And he's obviously jaded from multiple similar experiences at other life-sucking engineer jobs. My mom is a retired nurse practitioner who no longer works because of her illness. I ask him what he's doing for work now and he tells me he trades stocks from home. I didn't even know you could do that. I didn't know "trading" was a thing. I thought you just invest and hope for the best.
"Oh that's cool, how much money do you need to do that?"
"Ehh, most say you need at least $25,000 as a minimum"
"Oh... guess I can't do that..."
Six months later, I get a call and it's my dad. We talk a little about whatever. Off topic, he starts asking if I'm happy doing what I'm doing (I was a painter, commercial and residential) I tell him yes but it's kind of a pain in the ass and I don't see it as a long term thing. Then he gets around to asking if I'd like to come work with him. He basically pitches it to me. I'm not one to be sold on something, I'm always skeptical. So I ask all the questions that any rational person would ask and he just swats them away with reassuring phrases. He was real confident about it. But basically he says for this to work, I have to quit my job and move back home so he can teach me how to trade and be by my side so I don't do anything stupid. "My Name , you can make so much money." I say that I can't raise the $25,000 because I'm not far above just living paycheck to paycheck. "I can help you out with that." Wow, okay, well... let me think about it.
My "maybe" very soon turned into a "definitely." So over the next six months, I continue to work my day job painting, and I try to save up what I could for the transition (it wasn't a whole lot, I sucked at saving. I was great at spending though!). My dad gives me a book on day trading (which I will mention later) and I teach myself what I can about the stock market using Investopedia. Also in the meantime, my dad sends me encouraging emails. He tells me to think of an annual income I would like to make as a trader, and used "more than $100,000 but less than a million" as a guideline. He tells me about stocks that he traded that day or just ones that moved and describes the basic price action and the prices to buy and sell at. Basically saying "if you bought X amount of shares here and sold it at X price here, you could make a quick 500 bucks!" I then use a trading sim to trade those symbols and try to emulate what he says. Piece of cake. ;)
Wow, that's way more than what I make in a day.
He tells me not to tell anyone about my trading because most people just think it's gambling. "Don't tell your Mom either." He says most people who try this fail because they don't know how to stop out and take a loss. He talks about how every day he was in a popular chatroom, some noob would say something like, "Hey guys, I bought at X price (high of day or thereabout), my account is down 80% .. uhh I'm waiting for it to come back to my entry price.. what do I do??"
Well shit, I'm not that fucking dumb. If that's all it takes to make it is to buy low, sell high, and always respect a stop then I'll be fantastic.
By the end of September, I was very determined. I had been looking forward everyday to quitting my painting job because while it used to be something I loved, it was just sucking the life out of me at this point. Especially working commercial, you just get worked like a dog. I wasn't living up to my potential with that job and I felt awful for it every minute of every day. I knew that I needed a job where I could use my brain instead of slaving my body to fulfill someone else's dream. "Someone's gotta put gas in the boss's boat" That's a line my buddy once said that he probably doesn't know sticks with me to this day.
It ain't me.
So now it was October 2018, and I'm back living with Mom n' Pops. I was so determined that on my last day of work I gave away all of my painting tools to my buddy like, "here, I don't need this shit." Moving out of my rental was easy because I don't own much, 'can't take it with ya.' Excited for the future I now spend my days bundled up in winter wear in the cold air of our hoarder-like basement with a space heater at my feet. My laptop connected to a TV monitor, I'm looking at stocks next to my dad and his screens in his cluttered corner. Our Trading Dungeon. I don't trade any money, (I wasn't aware of any real-time sim programs) I just watch and learn from my dad. Now you've got to keep in mind, and look at a chart of the S&P, this is right at the beginning of Oct '18, I came in right at the market top. Right at the start of the shit-show. For the next three or four weeks, I watch my dad pretty much scratch on every trade, taking small loss after small loss, and cursing under his breath at the screen.
Click.
"dammit."
Click.
"shit."
Click. Click.
"you fuck."
Click.
This gets really fucking annoying as time goes on, for weeks, and I get this attitude like ugh, just let me do it. I'll make us some fucking money. So I convince him to let me start trading live. I didn't know anything about brokers so I set up an account using his broker, which was Fidelity. It was a pain and I had to jump through a lot of hoops to be able to day trade with this broker. I actually had to make a joint account with my dad as I couldn't get approved for margin because my credit score is shit (never owned a credit card) and my net worth, not much. Anyways, they straight up discourage day trading and I get all kinds of warning messages with big red letters that made me shit myself like oooaaahhh what the fuck did I do now. Did I forget to close a position?? Did I fat finger an order? Am I now in debt for thousands of dollars to Fidelity?? They're going to come after me like they came after Madoff. Even after you are approved for PDT you still get these warning messages in your account. Some would say if I didn't comply with "whatever rule" they'd even suspend my account for 60 days. It was ridiculous, hard to describe because it doesn't make sense, and it took the support guy on the phone a good 20 minutes to explain it to me. Basically I got the answer "yea it's all good, you did nothing wrong. As long as you have the cash in your account to cover whatever the trade balance was" So I just kept getting these warnings that I had to ignore everyday. I hate Fidelity.
My fist day trading, I made a few so-so trades and then I got impatient. I saw YECO breaking out and I chased, soon realized I chased, so I got out. -$500. Shit, I have to make that back, I don't want my dad to see this. Got back in. Shit. -$400. So my first day trading, I lost $900. My dumbass was using market orders so that sure didn't help. I reeled the risk back and traded more proper position size for a while, but the commissions for a round trip are $10, so taking six trades per day, I'm losing $60 at a minimum on top of my losing trades. Quickly I realized I didn't know what the hell I was doing. What about my dad? Does HE know? One day, in the trading dungeon, I was frustrated with the experience I'd been having and just feeling lost overall. I asked him.
"So, are you consistently profitable?"
"mmm... I do alright."
"Yea but like, are you consistently profitable over time?"
.........................
"I do alright."
Silence.
"Do you know any consistently profitable traders?"
"Well the one who wrote that book I gave you, Tina Turner.. umm and there's Ross Cameron"
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"So you don't know any consistently profitable traders, personally.. People who are not trying to sell you something?"
"no."
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Holy fucking shit, what did this idiot get me into. He can't even say it to my face and admit it.
This entire life decision, quitting my job, leaving my rental, moving from my city to back home, giving shit away, it all relied on that. I was supposed to be an apprentice to a consistently profitable day trader who trades for a living. It was so assumed, that I never even thought to ask! Why would you tell your son to quit his job for something that you yourself cannot do? Is this all a scam? Did my dad get sold a DREAM? Did I buy into some kind of ponzi scheme? How many of those winning trades he showed me did he actually take? Are there ANY consistently profitable DAY TRADERS who TRADE FOR A LIVING? Why do 90% fail? Is it because the other 10% are scamming the rest in some way? Completely lost, I just had no clue what was what. If I was going to succeed at this, if it was even possible to succeed at this, it was entirely up to me. I had to figure it out. I still remember the feeling like an overwhelming, crushing weight on me as it all sunk in. This is going to be a big deal.. I'm not the type to give up though. In that moment, I said to myself,
I'm going to fucking win at this. I don't know if this is possible, but I'm going to find out. I cannot say with certainty that I will succeed, but no matter what, I will not give up. I'm going to give all of myself to this. I will find the truth.
It was a deep moment for me. I don't like getting on my soapbox, but when I said those things, I meant it. I really, really meant it. I still do, and I still will.
Now it might seem like I'm being hard on my dad. He has done a lot for me and I am very grateful for that. We're sarcastic as hell to each other, I love the bastard. Hell, I wouldn't have the opportunity to trade at all if not for him. But maybe you can also understand how overwhelmed I felt at that time. Not on purpose, of course he means well. But I am not a trusting person at all and I was willing to put trust into him after all the convincing and was very disappointed when I witnessed the reality of the situation. I would have structured this transition to trading differently, you don't just quit your job and start trading. Nobody was there to tell me that! I was told quite the opposite. I'm glad it happened anyway, so fuck it. I heard Kevin O'Leary once say,
"If I knew in the beginning how difficult starting a business was, I don't know that I ever would've started."
This applies very much to my experience.
So what did I do? Well like everyone I read and read and Googled and Youtube'd my ass off. I sure as hell didn't pay for a course because I didn't have the money and I'm like 99% sure I would be disappointed by whatever they were teaching as pretty much everything can be found online or in books for cheap or free. Also I discovered Thinkorswim and I used that to sim trade in real-time for three months. This is way the hell different than going on a sim at 5x speed and just clicking a few buy and sell buttons. Lol, useless. When you sim trade in real-time you're forced to have a routine, and you're forced to experience missing trades with no chance to rewind or skip the boring parts. That's a step up because you're "in it". I also traded real money too, made some, lost more than I made. went back to sim. Traded live again, made some but lost more, fell back to PDT. Dad fronted me more cash. This has happened a few times. He's dug me out of some holes because he believes in me. I'm fortunate.
Oh yeah, about that book my dad gave me. It's called A Beginner's Guide to Day Trading Online by Toni Turner. This book... is shit. This was supposed to be my framework for how to trade and I swear it's like literally nothing in this book fucking works lol. I could tell this pretty early on, intuitively, just by looking at charts. It's basically a buy-the-breakout type strategy, if you want to call it a strategy. No real methodology to anything just vague crap and showing you cherry-picked charts with entries that are way too late. With experience in the markets you will eventually come to find that MOST BREAKOUTS FAIL. It talks about support/resistance lines and describes them as, "picture throwing a ball down at the floor, it bounces up and then it bounces down off the ceiling, then back up." So many asinine assumptions. These ideas are a text book way of how to trade like dumb money. Don't get me wrong, these trades can work but you need to be able to identify the setups which are more probable and identify reasons not to take others. So I basically had to un-learn all that shit.
Present day, I have a routine in place. I'm out of the dungeon and trade by myself in my room. I trade with a discount broker that is catered to day traders and doesn't rape me on commissions. My mornings have a framework for analyzing the news and economic events of the particular day, I journal so that I can recognize what I'm doing right and where I need to improve. I record my screens for later review to improve my tape reading skills. I am actually tracking my trades now and doing backtesting in equities as well as forex. I'm not a fast reader but I do read a lot, as much as I can. So far I have read about 17-18 books on trading and psychology. I've definitely got a lot more skilled at trading.
As of yet I am not net profitable. Writing that sounds like selling myself short though, honestly. Because a lot of my trades are very good and are executed well. I have talent. However, lesser quality trades and trades which are inappropriately sized/ attempted too many times bring down that P/L. I'm not the type of trader to ignore a stop, I'm more the trader that just widdles their account down with small losses. I trade live because at this point, sim has lost its value, live trading is the ultimate teacher. So I do trade live but I just don't go big like I did before, I keep it small.
I could show you trades that I did great on and make people think I'm killing it but I really just don't need the validation. I don't care, I'm real about it. I just want to get better. I don't need people to think I'm a genius, I'm just trying to make some money.
Psychologically, to be honest with you, I currently feel beaten down and exhausted. I put a lot of energy into this, and sometimes I work myself physically sick, it's happened multiple times. About once a week, usually Saturday, I get a headache that lasts all day. My body's stress rebound mechanism you might call it. Getting over one of those sick periods now, which is why I barely even traded this week. I know I missed a lot of volatility this week and some A+ setups but I really just don't give a shit lol. I just currently don't have the mental capital, I think anyone who's been day trading every day for a year or more can understand what I mean by that. I'm still being productive though. Again, I'm not here to present an image of some badass trader, just keeping it real. To give something 100% day after day while receiving so much resistance, it takes a toll on you. So a break is necessary to avoid making bad trading decisions. That being said, I'm progressing more and more and eliminating those lesser quality trades and identifying my bad habits. I take steps to control those habits and strengthen my good habits such as having a solid routine, doing review and market research, taking profits at the right times, etc.
So maybe I can give some advice to some that are new to day trading, those who are feeling lost, or just in general thinking "...What the fuck..." I thought that every night for the first 6 months lol.
First of all, manage expectations. If you read my story of how I came to be a trader, you can see I had a false impression of trading in many aspects. Give yourself a realistic time horizon to how progress should be made. Do not set a monetary goal for yourself, or any time-based goal that is measured in your P/L. If you tell yourself, "I want to make X per day, X per week, or X per year" you're setting yourself up to feel like shit every single day when it's clear as the blue sky that you won't reach that goal anytime soon. As a matter of fact, it will appear you are moving further AWAY from that goal if you just focus on your P/L, which brings me to my next point.
You will lose money. In the beginning, most likely, you will lose money. I did it, you'll do it, the greatest Paul Tudor Jones did it. Trading is a skill that needs to be developed, and it is a process. Just look at it as paying your tuition to the market. Sim is fine but don't assume you have acquired this skill until you are adept at trading real money. So when you do make that leap, just trade small.
Just survive. Trade small. get the experience. Protect your capital. To reach break even on your bottom line is a huge accomplishment. In many ways, experience and screen time are the secret sauce.
Have a routine. This is very important. I actually will probably make a more in-depth post in the future about this if people want it. When I first started, I was overwhelmed with the feeling "What the fuck am I supposed to DO?" I felt lost. There's no boss to tell you how to be productive or how to find the right stocks, which is mostly a blessing, but a curse for new traders.
All that shit you see, don't believe all that bullshit. You know what I'm talking about. The bragposting, the clickbait Youtube videos, the ads preying on you. "I made X amount of money in a day and I'm fucking 19 lolz look at my Lamborghini" It's all a gimmick to sell you the dream. It's designed to poke right at your insecurities, that's marketing at it's finest. As for the bragposting on forums honestly, who cares. And I'm not pointing fingers on this forum, just any trading forum in general. They are never adding anything of value to the community in their posts. They never say this is how I did it. No, they just want you to think they're a genius. I can show you my $900 day trading the shit out of TSLA, but that doesn't tell the whole story. Gamblers never show you when they lose, you might never hear from those guys again because behind the scenes, they over-leveraged themselves and blew up. Some may actually be consistently profitable and the trades are 100% legit. That's fantastic. But again, I don't care, and you shouldn't either. You shouldn't compare yourself to others.
"Everyone's a genius in a bull market" Here's the thing.. Markets change. Edges disappear. Trading strategies were made by traders who traded during times when everything they did worked. Buy all the breakouts? Sure! It's the fucking tech bubble! Everything works! I'm sure all those typical setups used to work fantastically at some point in time. But the more people realize them, the less effective they are. SOMEONE has to be losing money on the opposite side of a winning trade, and who's willing to do that when the trade is so obvious? That being said, some things are obvious AND still work. Technical analysis works... sometimes. The caveat to that is, filters. You need to, in some way, filter out certain setups from others. For example, you could say, "I won't take a wedge pattern setup on an intraday chart unless it is in a higher time frame uptrend, without nearby resistance, and trading above average volume with news on that day."
Have a plan. If you can't describe your plan, you don't have one. Think in probabilities. You should think entirely in "if, then" scenarios. If X has happens, then Y will probably happen. "If BABA breaks this premarket support level on the open I will look for a pop up to short into."
Backtest. Most traders lose mainly because they think they have an edge but they don't. You read these books and all this stuff online telling you "this is a high probability setup" but do you know that for a fact? There's different ways to backtest, but I think the best way for a beginner is manual backtesting with a chart and an excel sheet. This builds up that screen time and pattern recognition faster. This video shows how to do that. Once I saw someone do it, it didn't seem so boring and awful as I thought it was.
Intelligence is not enough. You're smarter than most people, that's great, but that alone is not enough to make you money in trading necessarily. Brilliant people try and fail at this all the time, lawyers, doctors, surgeons, engineers.. Why do they fail if they're so smart? It's all a fucking scam. No, a number of reasons, but the biggest is discipline and emotional intelligence.
Journal every day. K no thanks, bro. That's fucking gay. That's how I felt when I heard this advice but really that is pride and laziness talking. This is the process you need to do to learn what works for you and what doesn't. Review the trades you took, what your plan was, what actually happened, how you executed. Identify what you did well and what you can work on. This is how you develop discipline and emotional intelligence, by monitoring yourself. How you feel physically and mentally, and how these states affect your decision-making.
Always be learning. Read as much as you can. Good quality books. Here's the best I've read so far;
Market Wizards -Jack Schwager
One Good Trade -Mike Bellafiore
The Daily Trading Coach -Bret Steenbarger
Psycho-cybernetics -Maxwell Maltz
Why You Win or Lose -Fred Kelly
The Art and Science of Technical Analysis -Adam Grimes
Dark Pools -Scott Patterson
Be nimble. Everyday I do my research on the symbols I'm trading and the fundamental news that's driving them. I might be trading a large cap that's gapping up with a beat on EPS and revenue and positive guidance. But if I see that stock pop up and fail miserably on the open amidst huge selling pressure, and I look and see the broader market tanking, guess what, I'm getting short, and that's just day trading. The movement of the market, on an intraday timeframe, doesn't have to make logical sense.
Adapt. In March I used to be able to buy a breakout on a symbol and swing it for the majority of the day. In the summer I was basically scalping on the open and being done for the day. Volatility changes, and so do my profit targets.
Be accountable. Be humble. Be honest. I take 100% responsibility for every dime I've lost or made in the market. It's not the market makers fault, it wasn't the HFTs, I pressed the button. I know my bad habits and I know my good habits.. my strengths/ my weaknesses.
Protect yourself from toxicity. Stay away from traders and people on forums who just have that negative mindset. That "can't be done" mentality. Day trading is a scam!! It can certainly be done. Prove it, you bastard. I'm posting to this particular forum because I don't see much of that here and apparently the mods to a good job of not tolerating it. As the mod wrote in the rules, they're most likely raging from a loss. Also, the Stocktwits mentality of "AAPL is going to TANK on the open! $180, here we come. $$$" , or the grandiose stories, "I just knew AMZN was going to go up on earnings. I could feel it. I went ALL IN. Options money, baby! ka-ching!$" Lol, that is so toxic to a new trader. Get away from that. How will you be able to remain nimble when this is your thought process?
Be good to yourself. Stop beating yourself up. You're an entrepreneur. You're boldly going where no man has gone before. You've got balls.
Acknowledge your mistakes, don't identify with them. You are not your mistakes and you are not your bad habits. These are only things that you do, and you can take action necessary to do them less.
It doesn't matter what people think. Maybe they think you're a fool, a gambler. You don't need their approval. You don't need to talk to your co-workers and friends about it to satisfy some subconscious plea for guidance; is this a good idea?
You don't need anyone's permission to become the person you want to be.
They don't believe in you? Fuck 'em. I believe in you.
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How to get started in Forex - A comprehensive guide for newbies

Almost every day people come to this subreddit asking the same basic questions over and over again. I've put this guide together to point you in the right direction and help you get started on your forex journey.

A quick background on me before you ask: My name is Bob, I'm based out of western Canada. I started my forex journey back in January 2018 and am still learning. However I am trading live, not on demo accounts. I also code my own EA's. I not certified, licensed, insured, or even remotely qualified as a professional in the finance industry. Nothing I say constitutes financial advice. Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, but everything I've outlined below is a synopsis of some tough lessons I've learned over the last year of being in this business.

LET'S GET SOME UNPLEASANTNESS OUT OF THE WAY

I'm going to call you stupid. I'm also going to call you dumb. I'm going to call you many other things. I do this because odds are, you are stupid, foolish,and just asking to have your money taken away. Welcome to the 95% of retail traders. Perhaps uneducated or uninformed are better phrases, but I've never been a big proponent of being politically correct.

Want to get out of the 95% and join the 5% of us who actually make money doing this? Put your grown up pants on, buck up, and don't give me any of this pc "This is hurting my feelings so I'm not going to listen to you" bullshit that the world has been moving towards.

Let's rip the bandage off quickly on this point - the world does not give a fuck about you. At one point maybe it did, it was this amazing vision nicknamed the American Dream. It died an agonizing, horrible death at the hand of capitalists and entrepreneurs. The world today revolves around money. Your money, my money, everybody's money. People want to take your money to add it to theirs. They don't give a fuck if it forces you out on the street and your family has to live in cardboard box. The world just stopped caring in general. It sucks, but it's the way the world works now. Welcome to the new world order. It's called Capitalism.

And here comes the next hard truth that you will need to accept - Forex is a cruel bitch of a mistress. She will hurt you. She will torment you. She will give you nightmares. She will keep you awake at night. And then she will tease you with a glimmer of hope to lure you into a false sense of security before she then guts you like a fish and shows you what your insides look like. This statement applies to all trading markets - they are cruel, ruthless, and not for the weak minded.

The sooner you accept these truths, the sooner you will become profitable. Don't accept it? That's fine. Don't bother reading any further. If I've offended you I don't give a fuck. You can run back home and hide under your bed. The world doesn't care and neither do I.

For what it's worth - I am not normally an major condescending asshole like the above paragraphs would suggest. In fact, if you look through my posts on this subreddit you will see I am actually quite helpful most of the time to many people who come here. But I need you to really understand that Forex is not for most people. It will make you cry. And if the markets themselves don't do it, the people in the markets will.

LESSON 1 - LEARN THE BASICS

Save yourself and everybody here a bunch of time - learn the basics of forex. You can learn the basics for free - BabyPips has one of the best free courses online which explains what exactly forex is, how it works, different strategies and methods of how to approach trading, and many other amazing topics.

You can access the BabyPips course by clicking this link: https://www.babypips.com/learn/forex

Do EVERY course in the School of Pipsology. It's free, it's comprehensive, and it will save you from a lot of trouble. It also has the added benefit of preventing you from looking foolish and uneducated when you come here asking for help if you already know this stuff.

If you still have questions about how forex works, please see the FREE RESOURCES links on the /Forex FAQ which can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/Forex/wiki/index

Quiz Time
Answer these questions truthfully to yourself:

-What is the difference between a market order, a stop order, and a limit order?
-How do you draw a support/resistance line? (Demonstrate it to yourself)
-What is the difference between MACD, RSI, and Stochastic indicators?
-What is fundamental analysis and how does it differ from technical analysis and price action trading?
-True or False: It's better to have a broker who gives you 500:1 margin instead of 50:1 margin. Be able to justify your reasoning.

If you don't know to answer to any of these questions, then you aren't ready to move on. Go back to the School of Pipsology linked above and do it all again.

If you can answer these questions without having to refer to any kind of reference then congratulations, you are ready to move past being a forex newbie and are ready to dive into the wonderful world of currency trading! Move onto Lesson 2 below.

LESSON 2 - RANDOM STRANGERS ARE NOT GOING TO HELP YOU GET RICH IN FOREX

This may come as a bit of a shock to you, but that random stranger on instagram who is posting about how he is killing it on forex is not trying to insprire you to greatness. He's also not trying to help you. He's also not trying to teach you how to attain financial freedom.

99.99999% of people posting about wanting to help you become rich in forex are LYING TO YOU.

Why would such nice, polite people do such a thing? Because THEY ARE TRYING TO PROFIT FROM YOUR STUPIDITY.

Plain and simple. Here's just a few ways these "experts" and "gurus" profit from you:


These are just a few examples. The reality is that very few people make it big in forex or any kind of trading. If somebody is trying to sell you the dream, they are essentially a magician - making you look the other way while they snatch your wallet and clean you out.

Additionally, on the topic of fund managers - legitimate fund managers will be certified, licensed, and insured. Ask them for proof of those 3 things. What they typically look like are:

If you are talking to a fund manager and they are insisting they have all of these, get a copy of their verification documents and lookup their licenses on the directories of the issuers to verify they are valid. If they are, then at least you are talking to somebody who seems to have their shit together and is doing investment management and trading as a professional and you are at least partially protected when the shit hits the fan.


LESSON 3 - UNDERSTAND YOUR RISK

Many people jump into Forex, drop $2000 into a broker account and start trading 1 lot orders because they signed up with a broker thinking they will get rich because they were given 500:1 margin and can risk it all on each trade. Worst-case scenario you lose your account, best case scenario you become a millionaire very quickly. Seems like a pretty good gamble right? You are dead wrong.

As a new trader, you should never risk more than 1% of your account balance on a trade. If you have some experience and are confident and doing well, then it's perfectly natural to risk 2-3% of your account per trade. Anybody who risks more than 4-5% of their account on a single trade deserves to blow their account. At that point you aren't trading, you are gambling. Don't pretend you are a trader when really you are just putting everything on red and hoping the roulette ball lands in the right spot. It's stupid and reckless and going to screw you very quickly.

Let's do some math here:

You put $2,000 into your trading account.
Risking 1% means you are willing to lose $20 per trade. That means you are going to be trading micro lots, or 0.01 lots most likely ($0.10/pip). At that level you can have a trade stop loss at -200 pips and only lose $20. It's the best starting point for anybody. Additionally, if you SL 20 trades in a row you are only down $200 (or 10% of your account) which isn't that difficult to recover from.
Risking 3% means you are willing to lose $60 per trade. You could do mini lots at this point, which is 0.1 lots (or $1/pip). Let's say you SL on 20 trades in a row. You've just lost $1,200 or 60% of your account. Even veteran traders will go through periods of repeat SL'ing, you are not a special snowflake and are not immune to periods of major drawdown.
Risking 5% means you are willing to lose $100 per trade. SL 20 trades in a row, your account is blown. As Red Foreman would call it - Good job dumbass.

Never risk more than 1% of your account on any trade until you can show that you are either consistently breaking even or making a profit. By consistently, I mean 200 trades minimum. You do 200 trades over a period of time and either break-even or make a profit, then you should be alright to increase your risk.

Unfortunately, this is where many retail traders get greedy and blow it. They will do 10 trades and hit their profit target on 9 of them. They will start seeing huge piles of money in their future and get greedy. They will start taking more risk on their trades than their account can handle.

200 trades of break-even or profitable performance risking 1% per trade. Don't even think about increasing your risk tolerance until you do it. When you get to this point, increase you risk to 2%. Do 1,000 trades at this level and show break-even or profit. If you blow your account, go back down to 1% until you can figure out what the hell you did differently or wrong, fix your strategy, and try again.

Once you clear 1,000 trades at 2%, it's really up to you if you want to increase your risk. I don't recommend it. Even 2% is bordering on gambling to be honest.


LESSON 4 - THE 500 PIP DRAWDOWN RULE

This is a rule I created for myself and it's a great way to help protect your account from blowing.

Sometimes the market goes insane. Like really insane. Insane to the point that your broker can't keep up and they can't hold your orders to the SL and TP levels you specified. They will try, but during a flash crash like we had at the start of January 2019 the rules can sometimes go flying out the window on account of the trading servers being unable to keep up with all the shit that's hitting the fan.

Because of this I live by a rule I call the 500 Pip Drawdown Rule and it's really quite simple - Have enough funds in your account to cover a 500 pip drawdown on your largest open trade. I don't care if you set a SL of -50 pips. During a flash crash that shit sometimes just breaks.

So let's use an example - you open a 0.1 lot short order on USDCAD and set the SL to 50 pips (so you'd only lose $50 if you hit stoploss). An hour later Trump makes some absurd announcement which causes a massive fundamental event on the market. A flash crash happens and over the course of the next few minutes USDCAD spikes up 500 pips, your broker is struggling to keep shit under control and your order slips through the cracks. By the time your broker is able to clear the backlog of orders and activity, your order closes out at 500 pips in the red. You just lost $500 when you intended initially to only risk $50.

It gets kinda scary if you are dealing with whole lot orders. A single order with a 500 pip drawdown is $5,000 gone in an instant. That will decimate many trader accounts.

Remember my statements above about Forex being a cruel bitch of a mistress? I wasn't kidding.

Granted - the above scenario is very rare to actually happen. But glitches to happen from time to time. Broker servers go offline. Weird shit happens which sets off a fundamental shift. Lots of stuff can break your account very quickly if you aren't using proper risk management.


LESSON 5 - UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT TRADING METHODOLOGIES

Generally speaking, there are 3 trading methodologies that traders employ. It's important to figure out what method you intend to use before asking for help. Each has their pros and cons, and you can combine them in a somewhat hybrid methodology but that introduces challenges as well.

In a nutshell:

Now you may be thinking that you want to be a a price action trader - you should still learn the principles and concepts behind TA and FA. Same if you are planning to be a technical trader - you should learn about price action and fundamental analysis. More knowledge is better, always.

With regards to technical analysis, you need to really understand what the different indicators are tell you. It's very easy to misinterpret what an indicator is telling you, which causes you to make a bad trade and lose money. It's also important to understand that every indicator can be tuned to your personal preferences.

You might find, for example, that using Bollinger Bands with the normal 20 period SMA close, 2 standard deviation is not effective for how you look at the chart, but changing that to say a 20 period EMA average price, 1 standard deviation bollinger band indicator could give you significantly more insight.


LESSON 6 - TIMEFRAMES MATTER

Understanding the differences in which timeframes you trade on will make or break your chosen strategy. Some strategies work really well on Daily timeframes (i.e. Ichimoku) but they fall flat on their face if you use them on 1H timeframes, for example.

There is no right or wrong answer on what timeframe is best to trade on. Generally speaking however, there are 2 things to consider:


If you are a total newbie to forex, I suggest you don't trade on anything shorter than the 1H timeframe when you are first learning. Trading on higher timeframes tends to be much more forgiving and profitable per trade. Scalping is a delicate art and requires finesse and can be very challenging when you are first starting out.


LESSON 7 - AUTOBOTS...ROLL OUT!

Yeah...I'm a geek and grew up with the Transformers franchise decades before Michael Bay came along. Deal with it.

Forex bots are called EA's (Expert Advisors). They can be wonderous and devastating at the same time. /Forex is not really the best place to get help with them. That is what /algotrading is useful for. However some of us that lurk on /Forex code EA's and will try to assist when we can.

Anybody can learn to code an EA. But just like how 95% of retail traders fail, I would estimate the same is true for forex bots. Either the strategy doesn't work, the code is buggy, or many other reasons can cause EA's to fail. Because EA's can often times run up hundreds of orders in a very quick period of time, it's critical that you test them repeatedly before letting them lose on a live trading account so they don't blow your account to pieces. You have been warned.

If you want to learn how to code an EA, I suggest you start with MQL. It's a programming language which can be directly interpretted by Meta Trader. The Meta Trader terminal client even gives you a built in IDE for coding EA's in MQL. The downside is it can be buggy and glitchy and caused many frustrating hours of work to figure out what is wrong.

If you don't want to learn MQL, you can code an EA up in just about any programming language. Python is really popular for forex bots for some reason. But that doesn't mean you couldn't do it in something like C++ or Java or hell even something more unusual like JQuery if you really wanted.

I'm not going to get into the finer details of how to code EA's, there are some amazing guides out there. Just be careful with them. They can be your best friend and at the same time also your worst enemy when it comes to forex.

One final note on EA's - don't buy them. Ever. Let me put this into perspective - I create an EA which is literally producing money for me automatically 24/5. If it really is a good EA which is profitable, there is no way in hell I'm selling it. I'm keeping it to myself to make a fortune off of. EA's that are for sale will not work, will blow your account, and the developer who coded it will tell you that's too darn bad but no refunds. Don't ever buy an EA from anybody.

LESSON 8 - BRING ON THE HATERS

You are going to find that this subreddit is frequented by trolls. Some of them will get really nasty. Some of them will threaten you. Some of them will just make you miserable. It's the price you pay for admission to the /Forex club.

If you can't handle it, then I suggest you don't post here. Find a more newbie-friendly site. It sucks, but it's reality.

We often refer to trolls on this subreddit as shitcunts. That's your word of the day. Learn it, love it. Shitcunts.


YOU MADE IT, WELCOME TO FOREX!

If you've made it through all of the above and aren't cringing or getting scared, then welcome aboard the forex train! You will fit in nicely here. Ask your questions and the non-shitcunts of our little corner of reddit will try to help you.

Assuming this post doesn't get nuked and I don't get banned for it, I'll add more lessons to this post over time. Lessons I intend to add in the future:
If there is something else you feel should be included please drop a comment and I'll add it to the above list of pending topics.

Cheers,

Bob



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Don't get [FOREX] scammed! (Long post but worth the warning)

I bet Im not the only one who sees ads like this on Facebook.
LearnToTrade claims to be a Forex coaching company that was going to make you so rich, you'd throw your paperwork on your boss's face and buy a yacht next month. I was impressed as the venue for the free seminar was at a swanky building in BGC (sa ibabaw ng Lamborghini lol). One day, I saw one of their ads and because I had time to spare, I dragged my girlfriend along to check it out since we live around the area.
During the two-hour ordeal, all the speaker did was:
1) Put Greg Secker (their founder) on a pedestal of flowers. The guy appeared on a video which served as his "speech" and appeared to be messianic as fuck. There was something about the guy and the way he was reverred that was so unsettling. (More about him later)
2) Exaggerate on how genius traders their students turned out to be. (A 13yo is now trading millions monthly and lawyers quit being lawyers because they apparently realized they started earning more from trading because of what they learned from LearnToTrade)
3) Badmouth other trading companies. I couldn't keep track with how many times she lambasted COLfinancial (not even a Forex competitor) for ripping off arms and legs with their "ridiculous commissions". She asked if anybody in the room uses COLfinancial for trading stocks. I do but I decided to keep quiet to hear what she had to say. She was saying shit like "Imagine, 40% ng kinita ng pera nyo, sakanila mapupunta." That's when I realized nangbubullshit sya because the commission is only 0.25%. It could've been an honest mistake but...
4) Practically try to force us to "not hesitate" in enrolling at THREE-SESSION COACHING WORTH 90K. And wait, discounted na yan! Promo daw eh! So she said, when you start attending the classes, don't tell your classmates because they paid 400k daw for those classes. WTF?
5) Focus on the participants' desire for wealth. No remote feel that they were there to educate.
Although I was obviously not sold, I went home with a nagging feeling that I just wasted more than 2 hours of my life. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
They kept calling me for daysss (sayang I switched phones so di ko na maprovide yung call logs) trying to convince me to enroll. SUPER KULIT. I got so pissed, nagsungit na ko sa caller and started doing my research. Here are what I found out:
1) Greg Secker, the self-styled "internationally acclaimed" trading genius, was never even a trader. He was only affiliated with the big financial corporations that he LOVED to name-drop - as an employee.
2) For someone who claims his company can teach anyone to be really rich, the dude is allegedly operating at a loss.
3) His companies' incomes are mostly from the "enrolment fees" the more gullible trusting people throw in - not from actual effective trading.
And soooo much more sketchy stuff. Up to you to give them a chance. Here are some links to foreign articles about Greg Secker and LearnToTrade:
The Guardian article
BBC UK article
DailyMail UK exposé article
Greg Secker labeled as a "snake oil salesman" LOL
Quora forum
Philippine exposé vlog
And on and on...
It's surprising that even after getting exposed left and right, he's still able to stay in the business. Im not here to smear shit on LearnToTrade or call Greg Secker a charlatan, I just think you should at least know what you're getting into and not listen to someone sell alchemy. Total waste of time. I know somehow there are honest people in that company, but I think they can only be the naive ones.
PS: Just found out they're NOT registered with the SEC and was raided by the NBI as a syndicate halos last month lang. Hohoho. Pero may ads parin sa Facebook? Help me report pag may nakita kayo. :)
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Finding Trading Edges: Where to Get High R:R trades and Profit Potential of Them.

Finding Trading Edges: Where to Get High R:R trades and Profit Potential of Them.
TL;DR - I will try and flip an account from $50 or less to $1,000 over 2019. I will post all my account details so my strategy can be seen/copied. I will do this using only three or four trading setups. All of which are simple enough to learn. I will start trading on 10th January.
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As I see it there are two mains ways to understand how to make money in the markets. The first is to know what the biggest winners in the markets are doing and duplicating what they do. This is hard. Most of the biggest players will not publicly tell people what they are doing. You need to be able to kinda slide in with them and see if you can pick up some info. Not suitable for most people, takes a lot of networking and even then you have to be able to make the correct inferences.
Another way is to know the most common trades of losing traders and then be on the other side of their common mistakes. This is usually far easier, usually everyone knows the mind of a losing trader. I learned about what losing traders do every day by being one of them for many years. I noticed I had an some sort of affinity for buying at the very top of moves and selling at the very bottom. This sucked, however, is was obvious there was winning trades on the other side of what I was doing and the adjustments to be a good trader were small (albeit, tricky).
Thus began the study for entries and maximum risk:reward. See, there have been times I have bought aiming for a 10 pip scalps and hit 100 pips stops loss. Hell, there have been times I was going for 5 pips and hit 100 stop out. This can seem discouraging, but it does mean there must be 1:10 risk:reward pay-off on the other side of these mistakes, and they were mistakes.
If you repeatedly enter and exit at the wrong times, you are making mistakes and probably the same ones over and over again. The market is tricking you! There are specific ways in which price moves that compel people to make these mistakes (I won’t go into this in this post, because it takes too long and this is going to be a long post anyway, but a lot of this is FOMO).
Making mistakes is okay. In fact, as I see it, making mistakes is an essential part of becoming an expert. Making a mistake enough times to understand intrinsically why it is a mistake and then make the required adjustments. Understanding at a deep level why you trade the way you do and why others make the mistakes they do, is an important part of becoming an expert in your chosen area of focus.
I could talk more on these concepts, but to keep the length of the post down, I will crack on to actual examples of trades I look for. Here are my three main criteria. I am looking for tops/bottoms of moves (edge entries). I am looking for 1:3 RR or more potential pay-offs. My strategy assumes that retail trades will lose most of the time. This seems a fair enough assumption. Without meaning to sound too crass about it, smart money will beat dumb money most of the time if the game is base on money. They just will.
So to summarize, I am looking for the points newbies get trapped in bad positions entering into moves too late. From these areas, I am looking for high RR entries.
Setup Examples.
I call this one the “Lightning Bolt correction”, but it is most commonly referred to as a “two leg correction”. I call it a “Lightning Bolt correction” because it looks a bit like one, and it zaps you. If you get it wrong.

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Once I see price making the first sell-off move and then begin to rally towards the highs again, I am waiting for a washout spike low. The common trades mistakes I am trading against here is them being too eager to buy into the trend too early and for the to get stopped out/reverse position when it looks like it is making another bearish breakout. Right at that point they panic … literally one candle under there is where I want to be getting in. I want to be buying their stop loss, essentially. “Oh, you don’t want that ...okay, I will have that!”
I need a precise entry. I want to use tiny stops (for big RR) so I need to be cute with entries. For this, I need entry rules. Not just arbitrarily buying the spike out. There are a few moving parts to this that are outside the scope of this post but one of my mains ways is using a fibs extension and looking for reversals just after the 1.61% level. How to draw the fibs is something else that is outside the scope of this but for one simple rule, they can be drawn on the failed new high leg.

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I am looking for a few specific things for a prime setup. Firstly, I am looking for the false hope candles, the ones that look like they will reverse the market and let those buying too early get out break-even or even at profit. In this case, you can see the hammer and engulfing candle off the 127 level, then it spikes low in that “stop-hunt” sort of style.
Secondly I want to see it trading just past my entry level (161 ext). This rule has come from nothing other than sheer volume. The amount of times I’ve been stopped out by 1 pip by that little sly final low has gave birth to this rule. I am looking for the market to trade under support in a manner that looks like a new strong breakout. When I see this, I am looking to get in with tiny stops, right under the lows. I will also be using smaller charts at this time and looking for reversal clusters of candles. Things like dojis, inverted hammers etc. These are great for sticking stops under.
Important note, when the lightning bolt correction fails to be a good entry, I expect to see another two legs down. I may look to sell into this area sometimes, and also be looking for buying on another couple legs down. It is important to note, though, when this does not work out, I expect there to be continued momentum that is enough to stop out and reasonable stop level for my entry. Which is why I want to cut quick. If a 10 pips stop will hit, usually a 30 pips stop will too. Bin it and look for the next opportunity at better RR.

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Another setup I am watching for is harmonic patterns, and I am using these as a multi-purpose indicator. When I see potentially harmonic patterns forming, I am using their completion level as take profits, I do not want to try and run though reversal patterns I can see forming hours ahead of time. I also use them for entering (similar rules of looking for specific entry criteria for small stops). Finally, I use them as a continuation pattern. If the harmonic pattern runs past the area it may have reversed from, there is a high probability that the market will continue to trend and very basic trend following strategies work well. I learned this from being too stubborn sticking with what I thought were harmonic reversals only to be ran over by a trend (seriously, everything I know I know from how it used to make me lose).

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A method of spotting these sorts of M/W harmonics is they tend to form after a second spike out leg never formed. When this happens, it gives me a really good idea of where my profit targets should be and where my next big breakout level is. It is worth noting, larger harmonics using have small harmonics inside them (on lower time-frames) and this can be used for dialling in optimum entries. I also use harmonics far more extensively in ranging markets. Where they tend to have higher win rates.
Next setup is the good old fashioned double bottoms/double top/one tick trap sort of setup. This comes in when the market is highly over extended. It has a small sell-off and rallies back to the highs before having a much larger sell-off. This is a more risky trade in that it sells into what looks like trending momentum and can be stopped out more. However, it also pays a high RR when it works, allowing for it to be ran at reduced risk and still be highly profitable when it comes through.

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From these sorts of moves, I am always looking for a follow up buy if it forms a lightning bolt sort of setup.
All of these setups always offer 1:3 or better RR. If they do not, you are doing it wrong (and it will be your stop placement that is wrong). This is not to say the target is always 1:3+, sometimes it is best to lock in profits with training stops. It just means that every time you enter, you can potentially have a trade that runs for many times more than you risked. 1:10 RR can be hit in these sorts of setups sometimes. Paying you 20% for 2% risked.
I want to really stress here that what I am doing is trading against small traders mistakes. I am not trying to “beat the market maker”. I am not trying to reverse engineer J.P Morgan’s black boxes. I do not think I am smart enough to gain a worthwhile edge over these traders. They have more money, they have more data, they have better softwares … they are stronger. Me trying to “beat the market maker” is like me trying to beat up Mike Tyson. I might be able to kick him in the balls and feel smug for a few seconds. However, when he gets up, he is still Tyson and I am still me. I am still going to be pummeled.
I’ve seen some people that were fairly bright people going into training courses and coming out dumb as shit. Thinking they somehow are now going to dominate Goldman Sachs because they learned a chart pattern. Get a grip. For real, get a fucking grip. These buzz phrases are marketeering. Realististically, if you want to win in the markets, you need to have an edge over somebody.
I don’t have edges on the banks. If I could find one, they’d take it away from me. Edges work on inefficiencies in what others do that you can spot and they can not. I do not expect to out-think a banks analysis team. I know for damn sure I can out-think a version of me from 5 years ago … and I know there are enough of them in the markets. I look to trade against them. I just look to protect myself from the larger players so they can only hurt me in limited ways. Rather than letting them corner me and beat me to a pulp (in the form of me watching $1,000 drop off my equity because I moved a stop or something), I just let them kick me in the butt as I run away. It hurts a little, but I will be over it soon.
I believe using these principles, these three simple enough edge entry setups, selectiveness (remembering you are trading against the areas people make mistakes, wait for they areas) and measured aggression a person can make impressive compounded gains over a year. I will attempt to demonstrate this by taking an account of under $100 to over $1,000 in a year. I will use max 10% on risk on a position, the risk will scale down as the account size increases. In most cases, 5% risk per trade will be used, so I will be going for 10-20% or so profits. I will be looking only for prime opportunities, so few trades but hard hitting ones when I take them.
I will start trading around the 10th January. Set remind me if you want to follow along. I will also post my investor login details, so you can see the trades in my account in real time. Letting you see when I place my orders and how I manage running positions.
I also think these same principles can be tweaked in such a way it is possible to flip $50 or so into $1,000 in under a month. I’ve done $10 to $1,000 in three days before. This is far more complex in trade management, though. Making it hard to explain/understand and un-viable for many people to copy (it hedges, does not comply with FIFO, needs 1:500 leverage and also needs spreads under half a pip on EURUSD - not everyone can access all they things). I see all too often people act as if this can’t be done and everyone saying it is lying to sell you something. I do not sell signals. I do not sell training. I have no dog in this fight, I am just saying it can be done. There are people who do it. If you dismiss it as impossible; you will never be one of them.
If I try this 10 times with $50, I probably am more likely to make $1,000 ($500 profit) in a couple months than standard ideas would double $500 - I think I have better RR, even though I may go bust 5 or more times. I may also try to demonstrate this, but it is kinda just show-boating, quite honestly. When it works, it looks cool. When it does not, I can go bust in a single day (see example https://www.fxblue.com/users/redditmicroflip).
So I may or may not try and demonstrate this. All this is, is just taking good basic concepts and applying accelerated risk tactics to them and hitting a winning streak (of far less trades than you may think). Once you have good entries and RR optimization in place - there really is no reason why you can not scale these up to do what may people call impossible (without even trying it).
I know there are a lot of people who do not think these things are possible and tend to just troll whenever people talk about these things. There used to be a time when I’d try to explain why I thought the way I did … before I noticed they only cared about telling me why they were right and discussion was pointless. Therefore, when it comes to replies, I will reply to all comments that ask me a question regarding why I think this can be done, or why I done something that I done. If you are commenting just to tell me all the reasons you think I am wrong and you are right, I will probably not reply. I may well consider your points if they are good ones. I just do not entering into discussions with people who already know everything; it serves no purpose.

Edit: Addition.

I want to talk a bit more about using higher percentage of risk than usual. Firstly, let me say that there are good reasons for risk caps that people often cite as “musts”. There are reasons why 2% is considered optimum for a lot of strategies and there are reasons drawing down too much is a really bad thing.
Please do not be ignorant of this. Please do not assume I am, either. In previous work I done, I was selecting trading strategies that could be used for investment. When doing this, my only concern was drawdown metrics. These are essential for professional money management and they are also essential for personal long-term success in trading.
So please do not think I have not thought of these sorts of things Many of the reasons people say these things can’t work are basic 101 stuff anyone even remotely committed to learning about trading learns in their first 6 months. Trust me, I have thought about these concepts. I just never stopped thinking when I found out what public consensus was.
While these 101 rules make a lot of sense, it does not take away from the fact there are other betting strategies, and if you can know the approximate win rate and pay-off of trades, you can have other ways of deriving optimal bet sizes (risk per trade). Using Kelly Criterion, for example, if the pay-off is 1:3 and there is a 75% chance of winning, the optimal bet size is 62.5%. It would be a viable (high risk) strategy to have extremely filtered conditions that looked for just one perfect set up a month, makingover 150% if it was successful.
Let’s do some math on if you can pull that off three months in a row (using 150% gain, for easy math). Start $100. Month two starts $250. Month three $625. Month three ends $1,562. You have won three trades. Can you win three trades in a row under these conditions? I don’t know … but don’t assume no-one can.
This is extremely high risk, let’s scale it down to meet somewhere in the middle of the extremes. Let’s look at 10%. Same thing, 10% risk looking for ideal opportunities. Maybe trading once every week or so. 30% pay-off is you win. Let’s be realistic here, a lot of strategies can drawdown 10% using low risk without actually having had that good a chance to generate 30% gains in the trades it took to do so. It could be argued that trading seldomly but taking 5* the risk your “supposed” to take can be more risk efficient than many strategies people are using.
I am not saying that you should be doing these things with tens of thousands of dollars. I am not saying you should do these things as long term strategies. What I am saying is do not dismiss things out of hand just because they buck the “common knowns”. There are ways you can use more aggressive trading tactics to turn small sums of money into they $1,000s of dollars accounts that you exercise they stringent money management tactics on.
With all the above being said, you do have to actually understand to what extent you have an edge doing what you are doing. To do this, you should be using standard sorts of risks. Get the basics in place, just do not think you have to always be basic. Once you have good basics in place and actually make a bit of money, you can section off profits for higher risk versions of strategies. The basic concepts of money management are golden. For longevity and large funds; learned them and use them! Just don’t forget to think for yourself once you have done that.

Update -

Okay, I have thought this through a bit more and decided I don't want to post my live account investor login, because it has my full name and I do not know who any of you are. Instead, for copying/observing, I will give demo account login (since I can choose any name for a demo).
I will also copy onto a live account and have that tracked via Myfxbook.
I will do two versions. One will be FIFO compliant. It will trade only single trade positions. The other will not be FIFO compliant, it will open trades in batches. I will link up live account in a week or so. For now, if anyone wants to do BETA testing with the copy trader, you can do so with the following details (this is the non-FIFO compliant version).

Account tracking/copying details.

Low-Medium risk.
IC Markets MT4
Account number: 10307003
Investor PW: lGdMaRe6
Server: Demo:01
(Not FIFO compliant)

Valid and Invalid Complaints.
There are a few things that can pop up in copy trading. I am not a n00b when it comes to this, so I can somewhat forecast what these will be. I can kinda predict what sort of comments there may be. Some of these are valid points that if you raise I should (and will) reply to. Some are things outside of the scope of things I can influence, and as such, there is no point in me replying to. I will just cover them all here the one time.

Valid complains are if I do something dumb or dramatically outside of the strategy I have laid out here. won't do these, if I do, you can pitchfork ----E

Examples;

“Oi, idiot! You opened a trade randomly on a news spike. I got slipped 20 pips and it was a shit entry”.
Perfectly valid complaint.

“Why did you open a trade during swaps hours when the spread was 30 pips?”
Also valid.

“You left huge trades open running into the weekend and now I have serious gap paranoia!”
Definitely valid.

These are examples of me doing dumb stuff. If I do dumb stuff, it is fair enough people say things amounting to “Yo, that was dumb stuff”.

Invalid Complains;

“You bought EURUSD when it was clearly a sell!!!!”
Okay … you sell. No-one is asking you to copy my trades. I am not trading your strategy. Different positions make a market.

“You opened a position too big and I lost X%”.
No. Na uh. You copied a position too big. If you are using a trade copier, you can set maximum risk. If you neglect to do this, you are taking 100% risk. You have no valid compliant for losing. The act of copying and setting the risk settings is you selecting your risk. I am not responsible for your risk. I accept absolutely no liability for any losses.
*Suggested fix. Refer to risk control in copy trading software

“You lost X trades in a row at X% so I lost too much”.
Nope. You copied. See above. Anything relating to losing too much in trades (placed in liquid/standard market conditions) is entirely you. I can lose my money. Only you can set it up so you can lose yours. I do not have access to your account. Only mine.
*Suggested fix. Refer to risk control in copy trading software

“Price keeps trading close to the pending limit orders but not filling. Your account shows profits, but mine is not getting them”.
This is brokerage. I have no control over this. I use a strategy that aims for precision, and that means a pip here and there in brokerage spreads can make a difference. I am trading to profit from my trading conditions. I do not know, so can not account for, yours.
* Suggested fix. Compare the spread on your broker with the spread on mine. Adjust your orders accordingly. Buy limit orders will need to move up a little. Sell limit orders should not need adjusted.

“I got stopped out right before the market turned, I have a loss but your account shows a profit”.
This is brokerage. I have no control over this. I use a strategy that aims for precision, and that means a pip here and there differences in brokerage spreads can make a difference. I am trading to profit from my trading conditions. I do not know, so can not account for, yours.
** Suggested fix. Compare the spread on your broker with the spread on mine. Adjust your orders accordingly. Stop losses on sell orders will need to move up a bit. Stops on buy orders will be fine.

“Your trade got stopped out right before the market turned, if it was one more pip in the stop, it would have been a winner!!!”
Yeah. This happens. This is where the “risk” part of “risk:reward” comes in.

“Price traded close to take profit, yours filled but mines never”.
This is brokerage. I have no control over this. I use a strategy that aims for precision, and that means a pip here and there differences in brokerage spreads can make a difference. I am trading to profit from my trading conditions. I do not know, so can not account for, yours.
(Side note, this should not be an issue since when my trade closes, it should ping your account to close, too. You might get a couple less pips).
*** Suggested fix. Compare the spread on your broker with the spread on mine. Adjust your orders accordingly. Take profits on buys will need to move up a bit. Sell take profits will be fine.

“My brokers spread jumped to 20 during the New York session so the open trade made a bigger loss than it should”.
Your broker might just suck if this happens. This is brokerage. I have no control over this. My trades are placed to profit from my brokerage conditions. I do not know, so can not account for yours. Also, if accounting for random spread spikes like this was something I had to do, this strategy would not be a thing. It only works with fair brokerage conditions.
*Suggested fix. Do a bit of Googling and find out if you have a horrific broker. If so, fix that! A good search phrase is; “(Broker name) FPA reviews”.

“Price hit the stop loss but was going really fast and my stop got slipped X pips”.
This is brokerage. I have no control over this. I use a strategy that aims for precision, and that means a pip here and there differences in brokerage spreads can make a difference. I am trading to profit from my trading conditions. I do not know, so can not account for, yours.
If my trade also got slipped on the stop, I was slipped using ECN conditions with excellent execution; sometimes slips just happen. I am doing the most I can to prevent them, but it is a fact of liquidity that sometimes we get slipped (slippage can also work in our favor, paying us more than the take profit would have been).

“Orders you placed failed to execute on my account because they were too large”.
This is brokerage. I have no control over this. Margin requirements vary. I have 1:500 leverage available. I will not always be using it, but I can. If you can’t, this will make a difference.

“Your account is making profits trading things my broker does not have”
I have a full range of assets to trade with the broker I use. Included Forex, indices, commodities and cryptocurrencies. I may or may not use the extent of these options. I can not account for your brokerage conditions.

I think I have covered most of the common ones here. There are some general rules of thumb, though. Basically, if I do something that is dumb and would have a high probability of losing on any broker traded on, this is a valid complain.

Anything that pertains to risk taken in standard trading conditions is under your control.

Also, anything at all that pertains to brokerage variance there is nothing I can do, other than fully brief you on what to expect up-front. Since I am taking the time to do this, I won’t be a punchbag for anything that happens later pertaining to this.

I am not using an elitist broker. You don’t need $50,000 to open an account, it is only $200. It is accessible to most people - brokerage conditions akin to what I am using are absolutely available to anyone in the UK/Europe/Asia (North America, I am not so up on, so can’t say). With the broker I use, and with others. If you do not take the time to make sure you are trading with a good broker, there is nothing I can do about how that affects your trades.

I am using an A book broker, if you are using B book; it will almost certainly be worse results. You have bad costs. You are essentially buying from reseller and paying a mark-up. (A/B book AKA ECN/Market maker; learn about this here). My EURUSD spread will typically be 0.02 pips or so, if yours is 1 pip, this is a huge difference.
These are typical spreads I am working on.

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Check the full range of spreads on Forex, commodities, indices and crypto.

Please understand I want nothing from you if you benefit from this, but I am also due you nothing if you lose. My only term of offering this is that people do not moan at me if they lose money.

I have been fully upfront saying this is geared towards higher risk. I have provided information and tools for you to take control over this. If I do lose people’s money and I know that, I honestly will feel a bit sad about it. However, if you complain about it, all I will say is “I told you that might happen”, because, I am telling you that might happen.

Make clear headed assessments of how much money you can afford to risk, and use these when making your decisions. They are yours to make, and not my responsibility.

Update.

Crazy Kelly Compounding: $100 - $11,000 in 6 Trades.

$100 to $11,000 in 6 trades? Is it a scam? Is it a gamble? … No, it’s maths.

Common sense risk disclaimer: Don’t be a dick! Don’t risk money you can’t afford to lose. Do not risk money doing these things until you can show a regular profit on low risk.
Let’s talk about Crazy Kelly Compounding (CKC). Kelly criterion is a method for selecting optimal bet sizes if the odds and win rate are known (in other words, once you have worked out how to create and assess your edge). You can Google to learn about it in detail. The formula for Kelly criterion is;
((odds-1) * (percentage estimate)) - (1-percent estimate) / (odds-1) X 100
Now let’s say you can filter down a strategy to have a 80% win rate. It trades very rarely, but it had a very high success rate when it does. Let’s say you get 1:2 RR on that trade. Kelly would give you an optimum bet size of about 60% here. So if you win, you win 120%. Losing three trades in a row will bust you. You can still recover from anything less than that, fairly easily with a couple winning trades.
This is where CKC comes in. What if you could string some of these wins together, compounding the gains (so you were risking 60% each time)? What if you could pull off 6 trades in a row doing this?
Here is the math;

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This shows years, substitute years for trades. 6 trades returns $11,338! This can be done. The question really is if you are able to dial in good enough entries, filter out enough sub-par trades and have the guts to pull the trigger when the time is right. Obviously you need to be willing to take the hit, obviously that hit gets bigger each time you go for it, but the reward to risk ratio is pretty decent if you can afford to lose the money.
We could maybe set something up to do this on cent brokers. So people can do it literally risking a couple dollars. I’d have to check to see if there was suitable spreads etc offered on them, though. They can be kinda icky.
Now listen, I am serious … don’t be a dick. Don’t rush out next week trying to retire by the weekend. What I am showing you is the EXTRA rewards that come with being able to produce good solid results and being able to section off some money for high risk “all or nothing” attempts; using your proven strategies.
I am not saying anyone can open 6 trades and make $11,000 … that is rather improbable. What I am saying is once you can get the strategy side right, and you can know your numbers; then you can use the numbers to see where the limits actually are, how fast your strategy can really go.
This CKC concept is not intended to inspire you to be reckless in trading, it is intended to inspire you to put focus on learning the core skills I am telling you that are behind being able to do this.
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People who scam their own kind or people in general are going to hell with Hitler

Since being in San Diego I have been attempted scammed two times by people I would hope would have enough sense not to do so. I am a black guy from a pro black City, yes we do have our problems there but at least we have institutes and stuff to build up other black people that are trying to make a life for themself and not out here giving false hope and information. A black girl in San Diego targeted me for her IML scam. A scam where they get people to join their company and they have to pay a membership fee to learn how to trade on forex, stuff you can learn on YouTube for free.also if you join and you do not want to pay the fee you have to go and recruit three other people.what really tick me off about this scam (because I already knew it was too good to be true but had nothing to do that day) is what she said out of her mouth that she was looking for people like us. I showed up and guess what everybody in that room was black. Today, a small petite little Latina girl with braces, the most innocent-looking thing strangely walked past every single white person in the trolley station and came up to each black person and Spanish person and then went up to me handed me this paper and said if you're looking for a job call this number. of course I didn't call that number but I did search up what it was. it was a technical college for profit that was not accredited. meaning if I would have went there I would have been thousands of dollars in debt, wasted 7 months of my life and wouldn't be able to find a job that this college promised me. Why would she just go after her own kind and other people of minority descent? There's no ounce of empathy, these people pray on the downfall of anybody they deem as an easy target just for a quick buck.
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19 year old (UK) looking to start, Where? How?

Hi, I'm a 19 year old at university, I want to start looking into dividends seriously. What can I do to learn about how to trade dividend stocks (e.g what books can I buy) and what platform can I use to trade dividends? I know Americans use stuff like robinhood however what can I use in the UK?
When I turned 18 I tried to do Forex using the platform IQ Options and made around £100 profit in a week but that was too much of a luck game and I didn't know what I was doing and didn't want to risk it, so I took a step back and wanted to actually learn properly and learn on making passive income without all these scamming "guides" or online courses from instagram "stock gurus".
However I never got round to it until recently I started reading more about dividends and how it's not a get rich quick scheme, which is more attractive to me.
I'm on a tight budget but I can put aside £1200-1500 AT MOST to trade that I can afford to risk (e.g won't make me homeless or starve without it). With that in mind, I'd appreciate if any UK based people could tell me what platform/broker to turn to with that amount of money in mind in case some require you to drop more.
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ERIC HO FRAUD

This post was created as I felt compelled to share my experience with Eric Ho's mentorship program that I'd signed up to, along with about 10 other mentees and paid £12,000 each for 1-year program. To provide authenticity of my account, I have provided PROOF of the receipt, plus his "up sell" to other programs, and how he boots people out at the end and there is no more contacts with him whatsoever. I have also found other website, where people have complaining and have lost money, like I had done. I will post the link below in the message, and it shows Eric Ho's company details from Gov.uk's Companies House, which are not worth what he claims, in fact many are in debt & closed down..
 
Here, I CHALLENGE Eric Ho to comment below this post if he thinks this is an unfair account, as he commented on his Facebook saying how this is not a true reflection of his program... I can provide PROOFs of all the accounts & experience detailed here, from other ex-mentees and how we'd all suffered and lost our savings, with no real value in the end... and if I can provide these proofs, will Eric Ho refund all our payments? Come on Eric Ho, I challenge you.. If you are honest, you should be able to take up this challenge than just comment in your FB..
 
First, see a link below, for the proof that I was his ex-mentee, so my details below comes from after going through his mentorship program, and it shows further proofs of "up sell", and how he booted everyone out in the end, and how we were only given 7-days to ask for our refund or else your payment is vanished!! And how is anyone suppose to know within 7-days that the mentorship was not a valuable program and it was full of "motivation" rally within a week of signing up?? See: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QT9POxakgkIrXFEQN8uS4VqtEcD08F89
  See other people complain about Eric Ho's scam, and John Lee, and their method, which is just telling stories after stories and showing pictures of their success and cars (some outside the car show room) and claiming to be very successful, when they are not... company house record shows average financial statement.. https://www.propertytribes.com/eric-ho-t-127631542.html
 
Eric Hor, was introduced in one of John Lee's of Wealth Dragon seminar. There were bunch of us in the mentee group, mainly women who seemed vulnerable and naive i.e single mothers and old ladies. Eric Ho operates from his website, erichoofficial.com & hakademy.com.
 
Eric Ho promised a lots of things prior to signing up to his program and he promised all the mentees that he would help them to launch their business and in many cases, collaborate with his existing business and provide a platform and contacts to leverage our business... hence, paying £12,000 is worth it, in fact its cheap! However, it was far from that.. It became obvious after a few months, and until this point, it was all "motivational" stuffs i.e. meeting up with the group of mentees for dinner and drinks after one of his seminars in London and during these meet ups it was mainly him posting live videos on YouTube with bunch of mentees for his own marketing campaign (to show people what a good time we are all having and to get Likes and Shares). However, secretly many of his mentees were suffering as we forked out £1000 monthly towards his program and it was costing us more than our monthly mortgage payment!
 
Time goes fast, you set appointment with Eric whenever he is in London, but he sees all of his mentees after his 2-3 days seminar, where he is tired after long event, so it's rushed through as only 30mins appointment, and given generic advices and he is seeing mentees one after another.. During this appointments you go there and wait, he is talking to another mentee, then your turn comes, as you start the meeting, you see the anotehr mentee waiting for you to finish the meeting... so Eric Ho is in a rush to see you off. Hence, advices are given on the spot... He even forgets the last conversation you've had with him and repeats many comments / feedback that was given in the last appointment, as he sees all the mentees + new followers (to sign them up for his program) on that day... the new followers are far more important to him as they are a potential leads for another 12k per person and since we've already paid our fees and locked in the contract... we are a less priority for him. He forgets the action plan you had discussed with him in the last meeting and its clear that he cannot keep track of all his mentees seeing one after another after his long 2-3 days seminar event... He is very tired and gives you generic marketing advice. And when you make progress or need some suggestions from Eric Ho, our "mentor", he is out out of the country, somewhere overseas, posting videos from the beach about his luxurious lifestyle, flying business class flights and showing off his latest branded watch! and you are there stuck and unable to contact him or in the best case you receive a messages on Wats App. And that’s all...
 
You wait for him to return, but then you see another video from another part of the world, again, marketing himself and his seminars, and his new gadgets or a catchy video title and image of him and his latest girlfriend. Talking about his girlfriend.. he keeps using them in his video, to get likes and views, then after a year or so, there's a new girl and the old one is never seen again! And his new girlfriends are the seminar audience! At this time you start to doubt if Eric is serious about business. A true business man, a mentor should be there for you and know and care abot your business as much as you do.... not posting 5 videos, and 10 selfie a day! Think about it people.. his mind is occupied by social media posts and videos, and all he wants is NEW leads so he can generate additional fees... once you have paid, you are yesterdays newspaper to him..... You true business personnel dont act like this i.e. Fortune 500 companies executives, FTSE 250 leaders don’t act like a child showing off their new toys on a social media with his cars, watches, house etc.. Its unbearable as you begin to wonder that your payment is actually funding his lifestyle and his latest gadgets, and you are cant even reach him!
 
You begin to wonder and talk to other mentees and they all feel the same but no one dares to confront him as he is "so nice" and always so "positive" talking about "motivational stuffs", a sage, guru, who acts like one of those religious cult figures that brain washes people and builds up followers for his ulterior motive. The key here is, get likes and shares from Facebook, Insta, YouTube etc.. then get them to attend the seminar and then use classical sales technique i.e. "one day offer only" and sign them up for 12 months contract, where you can only ask for refund within 7 days (terms) and its impossible to know that you wont get any value within 7 days, so now you are locked in the contract and if you miss payment, Eric Ho and John Lee (Wealth Dragon) will send you red letter to take you to Debt Recovery and send bailiff to your house... and they have in-house lawyers workling for them, who emails you warning you of the consequences.... then you get worried and also have no time to go to the court and pay additional fee to solicitors not knowing you might lose more money because you have signed the contract... so you keep quite and pay the 12k!!! "Its numbers game" as they say... for example, get 100 likes and views, from that, get 20 people to seminar, then get 1 person to sign up and lock in 12 months contract... thats 12k! Now multiply this by few hundreds and thousands, then there you have it.. About 30-40 mentees a year, plus now "UP SELL" their other products, i.e. Public speaking, Forex, Property investments, Heath & Fitness, Spiritual mind etc.... thats their game! And make you bankrupt!!
 
By the way, if you want to learn Public Speaking, then just join your local Toastmasters club, where you will only pay between £50-£60 for 6 months!! with every 2 x weeks meetings, it will cost you more or less the same price of a coffee/tea per meeting. Toastmasters is everywhere, almost in every country. I have now completed almost my 10th speech. One thing about Public speaking is, its not a skill you obtained by attending a weekend or week long training that Eric Hor and John Lee is offering.. you must attend regularly every 2-3 weeks, even if you miss some meetings (that don't matter), to develop your skills. It's developed and built over time - not by attending short trainings on weekends or week-long program paying thousands of pounds/dollars. So dont be fool, don't pay Eric Hor and John Lee. Public speaking skills is like any other skills you learn, whether sports, or your regular exercise. If you stop going to gym for few months... what happens? Same with public speaking... you must attend regularly for at least 6-months to a 1-year.. then you develop skills + see other speakers do it, which you will pick up subconsciously, and when you step up to do your speech.. you will naturally exhibit skills (that you had picked up by watching other speakers on a regular basis by going to these meetings).. also, for every speech, you are given a detailed guide, as to how to structure it i.e. bullet points, linking between these points, and how to put a capturing opening and conclusive closing of your speech. You will also learn how to use body language, vocal variety, include research information in some speeches, which really helps professionals wanting to do great presentation for their work etc. And you become better at it, over time. You can never learn this over a weekend intensive course or week long course. Once you go through the Toastmasters club, the process will stay with you forever - just like driving a car or bike. So save you money from these fraudsters and join Toastmasters International club, which has nearly 16,000 clubs worldwide. You will also learn to take leadership roles as these two skills go hand in hand. Check out: toastmasters.org and click on "Find a club".
 
Eric Ho uses uses a traditional sales technique as he takes you through an emotional ride by sharing his stories, and others stories, and then says that he wants to work with "entrepreneurs" and he is looking to "invest" in the right business and "collaborate" with them, and this makes you feel like signing up to his mentorship, and it could perhaps, provide that opportunity to launch your business. With that mindset, he lures you towards him and when he offers the "1-day only" sales offer, at the end of the seminar to sign up, you do it! But there is no plan, no accountability, no real business expertise provided, except FULL of motivational stuffs, which you can nowadays watch on YouTube and feel the same or better. All you get is his regular get together for dinner and drink (which you have to pay yourself btw), and again, his posts on YouTube video promotions with all the mentee group for marketing to show what a good time we are having. Who will rant or show sad face on the video (live)?
I was in a group, where there was single mothers and some of them borrowed money from their parents to sign up to Eric's mentorship so she can make her business successful. She promised to pay back to her parents but it never happened as her parents passed away, before she could make any money. And Eric didn't even share the 50% profit that she had generated through her sales i.e. webinar sign-up consulting therapy work, after getting some leads from one of the webinar Eric had sets up. It takes her 3 months to get her 50% share. She even cried in one of our meet ups and shared her story. Another lady, Psychologist, that signed up, she spoke on the Eric's stage few times, she was very happy, got her to give him fantastic testimonial, she changed her title to "international speaker", and time goes fast... soon it was 12-months and she was crying in one of Eric's seminar at the back stage because it only hit her that she hasn't made her money back but paid 12k! Eric saw her cry, he knew WHY! as others try to sooth her, but he went on the stage and did his gig! There was no remorse nor any sympathy...... yet he acts like he feeds those childred in Kenya! Oh by the way, it was told that this charity is not his set up... it was existing orphanage and they would work with anyone that give them donation and you can put that in your business as a social enterprise business. And why wouldn't they accept donation for such purpose?
 
Another mentee, similar type of business, didn't get anything i.e. 50% commission, so he stopped asking after few times and completely dis-engaged with Eric and stopped talking completely after about 6-months in the program.
 
Eric lied to another mentee suggesting that he will use his product in his existing business to collaborate with him and launh his product in his YoYo Noodles bars, which Eric supposedly owns. He signed up to it, but it never happened and when he asked to Eric about it, after few months of developing a product and brand, Eric simply said that he had already sold his noodle franchise business. So he can't help him! However, it turned out to be a plain lie as Eric still owned the business and he was participating in Franchise trade shows later that year. He still owns this YoYo Noodle franchise and can be easily seen in Google search.
 
Another mentee couldn't afford the fees, so she was called by their staff called Marcos from Wealth Dragon, a big spanish bull dog that looks like a bouncer but acts like a motivational guru himself until you miss 1-payment! He acted like a bully when she didn't pay on time and this mentee, was already in debt and Marcos advised her to take loans from her credit cards as she would easily recoup that money anyway from the program, and when she was unable to keep up the payment to Eric, after few months, she was instantly kicked out without any notice and blocked from the Wats App and Facebook group. That’s when we saw the real Eric Ho.., not so nice and kind as he appears to be on the stage and videos and showing off his charity work in Kenya... Oh yeah, once you are mentee, you will get a "special deal" to volunteer and go to Kenya with him to do this charity work and the price you pay on a special deal is much more expensive than you would have booked a ticket and accomodation and gone by yourself... Another "upsell" like his books, like the upcoming seminar tickets, some "hero" seminar, but the principal is same.. motivation and emotional roller coaster stories and "upsell" another product.. there were few guys who finished all their savings by keep buying into these programs.. One nurse lady, single, in her 50s, spent more than 30k in all of their seminars, combined with, mentorship, forex, property, public speaking etc.. all her life time saving, all that over time she did.... tut tut.
 
There is nothing special or no real expertise offered in business by Eric Ho because all the advice is generic and 90% are motivational. And since all motivational in YouTube videos are sourced from Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich book and the Power of Law of Attraction book etc. The 99% of the motivational gurus use these techniques to elaborate and explain their stories and persuade and convince audience to excite and take action.. And take action you will, by paying £12,000 for 1-year of generic advice and about 5 to 7 appointment with him (since he is out of the country more than half of the year giving seminars)... so how can you meet him possibly even if you want to........ Have you ever noticed that 99% of his previous mentees are completely out of the picture or out of touch after 1-year... ever wonder why? Because it finally sinks into them that it was all bullsh!t and they lost their money! Deep down inside in their heart, they know they lost their money, and there was nothing they could do after 7-day no refund policy!
 
If you, readers, want a motivation then I suggest you go to the horse's mouth i.e. Tony Robbins who revolutionized this game. And it is unfair how Eric Ho and John Lee do it... because they excite audiences through emotional story telling method, where their seminars are held for 2-3 days, long hours, deliberately making the audience tired and making it harder for us to think clearly and decide carefully, and prompting audience to say "yes" to many of rhetorical questions and multiples "hi5" among audiences and then encourage audience by stating they want “joint venture”, “partnerships” with only few select entrepreneurs and the offer is for "today only" sale price, and saying how Eric is only looking for only few partners only so its not for everyone (making it sound exclusive)! And he only wants few mentees only because he already has few of them already... That makes it exclusive and people sign up..... but after few months in the next seminar, he says the same thing and sign more mentees... and from different countries and it all becomes one big "social" group... hence, he loses track in 1 to 1 meetings of your progress and business plan.... and offers motivational advices only.
 
The contract states that you cannot ask for refund after 7-days but its hard to know, for anyone, within 7-days, what value you are getting esp. when the guy is flying around the world giving seminars when, ideally, you want a business mentor that can support you and give your advice in the time of need and hardship, not while he is posting videos of his latest gadget and business flight travels, which you, the mentees, had funded!! The irony is that, Eric present himself as the best son in the world to his parents, giving his father and mother a luxury watches and presents, when his parents, DONT know that its funded by these mentees who have worked hard to save up their money all their life and are paying £12,000! And some have really struggled to put that money together. I recall after a day or two of the seminar, both John Lee and Eric Ho, challenges the audience to see if they can raise money from their banks, friends and families and challenges everyone to make phone call during lunch break and see how much they can possibly raise…… during that day, it stays like that…. But its only until tomorrow or last day, when the offer for the “sale price for today only” is given and subconsciously the audience feels confident to take this offer because they were able to get loans or friends/family were willing to lend them a day before... see the trick??? These guys are experts, professionals in stealing your money!!! Vipers! Snakes! A bad name to Chinese/ Oriental community! A rotten tomatoes in the basket affecting all.
 
They are not different to those gurus, cult leaders, who builds followers and eventually brainwashes then and manipulate them.. its same technique! Eric Ho and John Lee builds followers from YouTube videos showing off gadgets, good lifestyle and happy mentees videos then you end up going to their seminar and hearing their well crafted and devised speeches, do activities, and make you feel they are great people, a guru and then challenging you to raise the money (from friends and family) then hooking you to buy their “sale price for today only” products. And to suck more out of you, there are many upsell in the pipeline...!
 
I saw many old ladies, retired ones, in their 60s running at the back of the room to sign up for a “LIMITED PLACES” only offers – without reading any terms and conditions! Some were signing up for Forex to use their special trading method to make unlimited amount of money whilst trading for half an hour a day! A pictures are shown of people being happy and drinking coffee and trading and making money! I think I should tell my investment banker friend in Canary Wharf to bring all their banker friends and his bosses and learn to trade so they can make all the money in the world in half an hour.... they don't have to invest millions in their sophesticated softwares that trades in micro-seconds and are competing with other banks and institutional investors!! No offence, but what do these retired ladies do to out-beat the investor bankers that uses latest tools, softwares, factors in speculations, world economy, politics, wars, currency fluctuation etc. etc.. Many of these ladies are old enough to be Eric's and John's mother! No mercy, no remorse! One mentee was charged double the normal price because she asked for 6-months extension in the mentorship, and she could not say anything about it..... but she shared her disappointment with us in the group.
 
Please people save your money, and if you are really need inspiration to do business then know one thing for sure...... all these types of motivation seminars are almost bullsh!t! If not ask any real business leaders from Fortune 500 or FTSE 250 companes...... and they will tell you what it really takes, and how competitive, dog eat dog world is out there...... thus the motivation part is only 5% of the business, the other 95% is pure hard work, grit, effort and sleepless nights......... to make it successful. Even that doesn't guarantee it! Almost every industry and sector have very high competition and innovations are quite rare, infrequent, and mainly big companies that invests heavily in Research & Development create it.... The money you need to invest to start the business costs almost double than your initial projection, and it takes twice a long than expected. You are alone, often questioning your own insanity at times, friends almost misunderstands you.... and once you have built your product or brand, then only you realise, you need more money to market it... and without marketing, there is no exposure and no one knows about it... so when you factor it all, the 12k you paid Eric Ho for motivation, was the money that you could have used for building your own business and marketing it...... now you are more broke than before and lack of money de-motivates and stops you from continuing to work on your start-up business. So not only Eric Ho has stolen your money but he has killed your dreams!
 
Please note, motivation gives you energy for temporary time only, maybe a month or two, then you go back to “default” that have built in you since your childhood! So how can one-off 2/3 days seminar change your “default”? It’s like trying to change a habit overnight. Can you? So, you can only change your “default” by consistently grinding through hard times and persevering and pushing through rejections and hard times... and having insatiable desire and hunger to succeed.. thus, only only few makes it? But if you need motivation, just go to the horse's mouth i.e. Tony Robbins who is probably best in the business. Not liars and hypocrite like Eric Ho and John Lee.
 
And if you really need mentor, you need go to real experts, which you can easily find on LinkedIn, industry publications, and surely you won’t have to pay 12k!!! You need experts from the industry you want to specialise in, and have contacts and networks with industry leaders, and can help you to raise finance, and be focused in you as much as you are working on your business, they push you, ask you hard questions, even gives you hard times and sometimes you hate him/her but after getting the results you want... you respect them! Thats the kind of mentor you want... what will Eric Ho and John Lee tell you? Motivate you? what about rest of the 95% grit. They hardly talk about it.. Can they introduce you to any Venture Capitalist? or Private Equity firm or Financial Institutions? Those professionals dislike motivational speakers and don’t even allow them in their circle, believe me! If you want join prestigious business clubs in London, check out London's Capital Club, Club house london, De Amstel Club, etc... and these clubs dont allow motivational gurus, if they find out they are trying to sell seminars or books etc, they are booted out! some clubs asks for your business’s revenue before joining... And these are the clubs where PE firms, VC, bankers, advisory firms i.e. 'Big 4' and 'Magic circle' professionals hang out! This is where you meet real business contacts! This is where you need to be, so they can pull you up to their bracket... not someone who is in your bracket and you have to pay 12k! Motivational gurus like Eric and John wont be allowed near that circle. They will be a laughing stock! Eric and John is just trying to ride off what Tony Robbins have achieved. He is one-off! I remember they said they want to go IPO on stock market! A motivational seminar company on stock market? In which security exchange? In Mars? What investment bank will represent them? In fact, their business is not sustaible in long term because anyone can be a motivational speaker with NLP courses and reading 100s of motivational books out there... you dont need any qualification! Thus, they are all over the YouTube now and ERic Ho and John Lee is getting competition, whether they like it or not!
 
So, find real expertise who can link you to bankers, lawyers, accountants, leading marketer, entrepreneurs.. NOT motivational speakers that post videos flashing their bling bling 3-5 times a day like a teenager! In fact, its so immature! I mean, Eric is like in his mid-30s and his girlfriend Marta (white girl) was a seminar attendee and Eric dumped his then girlfriend Jamie for Marta. And before Marta, the left Jamie for another attendee, her name is Trinity. But when she found out Eric was dating another seminar attendee Anna (with blond hair) she dumped him! All these girls pictures are in his FB, Insta, if you go back time... What’s sad is that Jamie still works for him, H Akademy, and have to face Eric and his new girlfriend... And Eric Ho has the heart to face her everyday with his new girlfriend in the same place. Its all over their social media... its sad! But that should tell you the credibility of the guy that you have to pay 12k!! Of course, I only came to know this all after a 1-year mentorship program and Eric was publicly (In Wats App group) arguing and fighting with another girl called Jadey, who worked for him but she left after realising everything...
A challenge will be find out how well his mentees have done in their business, besides the YouTube video testimonials, since they had taken up his program.. its hard to know their revenuce increase after few months of the program, so their company's financial statement before and after the program should be compared and validated.. Of course no one would do that... Any previous mentees up for that challenge? Well all his mentees disappear after 12 months and new arrivals are excited and buzzing every year… until they cool off at the end of the year, get kicked out from Wats App and FB group……… I hope some of those new mentee reads this and realises how it works with these con artists... Eric Ho is a fraud!
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ERIC HO

This post was created as I felt compelled to share my experience with Eric Ho's mentorship program that I'd signed up to, along with about 10 other mentees and paid £12,000 each for 1-year program. To provide authenticity of my account, I have provided PROOF of the receipt, plus his "up sell" to other programs, and how he boots people out at the end and there is no more contacts with him whatsoever. I have also found other website, where people have complaining and have lost money, like I had done. I will post the link below in the message, and it shows Eric Ho's company details from Gov.uk's Companies House, which are not worth what he claims, in fact many are in debt & closed down..
 
Here, I CHALLENGE Eric Ho to comment below this post if he thinks this is an unfair account, as he commented on his Facebook saying how this is not a true reflection of his program... I can provide PROOFs of all the accounts & experience detailed here, from other ex-mentees and how we'd all suffered and lost our savings, with no real value in the end... and if I can provide these proofs, will Eric Ho refund all our payments? Come on Eric Ho, I challenge you.. If you are honest, you should be able to take up this challenge than just comment in your FB..
 
First, see a link below, for the proof that I was his ex-mentee, so my details below comes from after going through his mentorship program, and it shows further proofs of "up sell", and how he booted everyone out in the end, and how we were only given 7-days to ask for our refund or else your payment is vanished!! And how is anyone suppose to know within 7-days that the mentorship was not a valuable program and it was full of "motivation" rally within a week of signing up?? See: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QT9POxakgkIrXFEQN8uS4VqtEcD08F89
  See other people complain about Eric Ho's scam, and John Lee, and their method, which is just telling stories after stories and showing pictures of their success and cars (some outside the car show room) and claiming to be very successful, when they are not... company house record shows average financial statement.. https://www.propertytribes.com/eric-ho-t-127631542.html
 
Eric Hor, was introduced in one of John Lee's of Wealth Dragon seminar. There were bunch of us in the mentee group, mainly women who seemed vulnerable and naive i.e single mothers and old ladies. Eric Ho operates from his website, erichoofficial.com & hakademy.com.
 
Eric Ho promised a lots of things prior to signing up to his program and he promised all the mentees that he would help them to launch their business and in many cases, collaborate with his existing business and provide a platform and contacts to leverage our business... hence, paying £12,000 is worth it, in fact its cheap! However, it was far from that.. It became obvious after a few months, and until this point, it was all "motivational" stuffs i.e. meeting up with the group of mentees for dinner and drinks after one of his seminars in London and during these meet ups it was mainly him posting live videos on YouTube with bunch of mentees for his own marketing campaign (to show people what a good time we are all having and to get Likes and Shares). However, secretly many of his mentees were suffering as we forked out £1000 monthly towards his program and it was costing us more than our monthly mortgage payment!
 
Time goes fast, you set appointment with Eric whenever he is in London, but he sees all of his mentees after his 2-3 days seminar, where he is tired after long event, so it's rushed through as only 30mins appointment, and given generic advices and he is seeing mentees one after another.. During this appointments you go there and wait, he is talking to another mentee, then your turn comes, as you start the meeting, you see the anotehr mentee waiting for you to finish the meeting... so Eric Ho is in a rush to see you off. Hence, advices are given on the spot... He even forgets the last conversation you've had with him and repeats many comments / feedback that was given in the last appointment, as he sees all the mentees + new followers (to sign them up for his program) on that day... the new followers are far more important to him as they are a potential leads for another 12k per person and since we've already paid our fees and locked in the contract... we are a less priority for him. He forgets the action plan you had discussed with him in the last meeting and its clear that he cannot keep track of all his mentees seeing one after another after his long 2-3 days seminar event... He is very tired and gives you generic marketing advice. And when you make progress or need some suggestions from Eric Ho, our "mentor", he is out out of the country, somewhere overseas, posting videos from the beach about his luxurious lifestyle, flying business class flights and showing off his latest branded watch! and you are there stuck and unable to contact him or in the best case you receive a messages on Wats App. And that’s all...
 
You wait for him to return, but then you see another video from another part of the world, again, marketing himself and his seminars, and his new gadgets or a catchy video title and image of him and his latest girlfriend. Talking about his girlfriend.. he keeps using them in his video, to get likes and views, then after a year or so, there's a new girl and the old one is never seen again! And his new girlfriends are the seminar audience! At this time you start to doubt if Eric is serious about business. A true business man, a mentor should be there for you and know and care abot your business as much as you do.... not posting 5 videos, and 10 selfie a day! Think about it people.. his mind is occupied by social media posts and videos, and all he wants is NEW leads so he can generate additional fees... once you have paid, you are yesterdays newspaper to him..... You true business personnel dont act like this i.e. Fortune 500 companies executives, FTSE 250 leaders don’t act like a child showing off their new toys on a social media with his cars, watches, house etc.. Its unbearable as you begin to wonder that your payment is actually funding his lifestyle and his latest gadgets, and you are cant even reach him!
 
You begin to wonder and talk to other mentees and they all feel the same but no one dares to confront him as he is "so nice" and always so "positive" talking about "motivational stuffs", a sage, guru, who acts like one of those religious cult figures that brain washes people and builds up followers for his ulterior motive. The key here is, get likes and shares from Facebook, Insta, YouTube etc.. then get them to attend the seminar and then use classical sales technique i.e. "one day offer only" and sign them up for 12 months contract, where you can only ask for refund within 7 days (terms) and its impossible to know that you wont get any value within 7 days, so now you are locked in the contract and if you miss payment, Eric Ho and John Lee (Wealth Dragon) will send you red letter to take you to Debt Recovery and send bailiff to your house... and they have in-house lawyers workling for them, who emails you warning you of the consequences.... then you get worried and also have no time to go to the court and pay additional fee to solicitors not knowing you might lose more money because you have signed the contract... so you keep quite and pay the 12k!!! "Its numbers game" as they say... for example, get 100 likes and views, from that, get 20 people to seminar, then get 1 person to sign up and lock in 12 months contract... thats 12k! Now multiply this by few hundreds and thousands, then there you have it.. About 30-40 mentees a year, plus now "UP SELL" their other products, i.e. Public speaking, Forex, Property investments, Heath & Fitness, Spiritual mind etc.... thats their game! And make you bankrupt!!
 
By the way, if you want to learn Public Speaking, then just join your local Toastmasters club, where you will only pay between £50-£60 for 6 months!! with every 2 x weeks meetings, it will cost you more or less the same price of a coffee/tea per meeting. Toastmasters is everywhere, almost in every country. I have now completed almost my 10th speech. One thing about Public speaking is, its not a skill you obtained by attending a weekend or week long training that Eric Hor and John Lee is offering.. you must attend regularly every 2-3 weeks, even if you miss some meetings (that don't matter), to develop your skills. It's developed and built over time - not by attending short trainings on weekends or week-long program paying thousands of pounds/dollars. So dont be fool, don't pay Eric Hor and John Lee. Public speaking skills is like any other skills you learn, whether sports, or your regular exercise. If you stop going to gym for few months... what happens? Same with public speaking... you must attend regularly for at least 6-months to a 1-year.. then you develop skills + see other speakers do it, which you will pick up subconsciously, and when you step up to do your speech.. you will naturally exhibit skills (that you had picked up by watching other speakers on a regular basis by going to these meetings).. also, for every speech, you are given a detailed guide, as to how to structure it i.e. bullet points, linking between these points, and how to put a capturing opening and conclusive closing of your speech. You will also learn how to use body language, vocal variety, include research information in some speeches, which really helps professionals wanting to do great presentation for their work etc. And you become better at it, over time. You can never learn this over a weekend intensive course or week long course. Once you go through the Toastmasters club, the process will stay with you forever - just like driving a car or bike. So save you money from these fraudsters and join Toastmasters International club, which has nearly 16,000 clubs worldwide. You will also learn to take leadership roles as these two skills go hand in hand. Check out: toastmasters.org and click on "Find a club".
 
Eric Ho uses uses a traditional sales technique as he takes you through an emotional ride by sharing his stories, and others stories, and then says that he wants to work with "entrepreneurs" and he is looking to "invest" in the right business and "collaborate" with them, and this makes you feel like signing up to his mentorship, and it could perhaps, provide that opportunity to launch your business. With that mindset, he lures you towards him and when he offers the "1-day only" sales offer, at the end of the seminar to sign up, you do it! But there is no plan, no accountability, no real business expertise provided, except FULL of motivational stuffs, which you can nowadays watch on YouTube and feel the same or better. All you get is his regular get together for dinner and drink (which you have to pay yourself btw), and again, his posts on YouTube video promotions with all the mentee group for marketing to show what a good time we are having. Who will rant or show sad face on the video (live)?
I was in a group, where there was single mothers and some of them borrowed money from their parents to sign up to Eric's mentorship so she can make her business successful. She promised to pay back to her parents but it never happened as her parents passed away, before she could make any money. And Eric didn't even share the 50% profit that she had generated through her sales i.e. webinar sign-up consulting therapy work, after getting some leads from one of the webinar Eric had sets up. It takes her 3 months to get her 50% share. She even cried in one of our meet ups and shared her story. Another lady, Psychologist, that signed up, she spoke on the Eric's stage few times, she was very happy, got her to give him fantastic testimonial, she changed her title to "international speaker", and time goes fast... soon it was 12-months and she was crying in one of Eric's seminar at the back stage because it only hit her that she hasn't made her money back but paid 12k! Eric saw her cry, he knew WHY! as others try to sooth her, but he went on the stage and did his gig! There was no remorse nor any sympathy...... yet he acts like he feeds those childred in Kenya! Oh by the way, it was told that this charity is not his set up... it was existing orphanage and they would work with anyone that give them donation and you can put that in your business as a social enterprise business. And why wouldn't they accept donation for such purpose?
 
Another mentee, similar type of business, didn't get anything i.e. 50% commission, so he stopped asking after few times and completely dis-engaged with Eric and stopped talking completely after about 6-months in the program.
 
Eric lied to another mentee suggesting that he will use his product in his existing business to collaborate with him and launh his product in his YoYo Noodles bars, which Eric supposedly owns. He signed up to it, but it never happened and when he asked to Eric about it, after few months of developing a product and brand, Eric simply said that he had already sold his noodle franchise business. So he can't help him! However, it turned out to be a plain lie as Eric still owned the business and he was participating in Franchise trade shows later that year. He still owns this YoYo Noodle franchise and can be easily seen in Google search.
 
Another mentee couldn't afford the fees, so she was called by their staff called Marcos from Wealth Dragon, a big spanish bull dog that looks like a bouncer but acts like a motivational guru himself until you miss 1-payment! He acted like a bully when she didn't pay on time and this mentee, was already in debt and Marcos advised her to take loans from her credit cards as she would easily recoup that money anyway from the program, and when she was unable to keep up the payment to Eric, after few months, she was instantly kicked out without any notice and blocked from the Wats App and Facebook group. That’s when we saw the real Eric Ho.., not so nice and kind as he appears to be on the stage and videos and showing off his charity work in Kenya... Oh yeah, once you are mentee, you will get a "special deal" to volunteer and go to Kenya with him to do this charity work and the price you pay on a special deal is much more expensive than you would have booked a ticket and accomodation and gone by yourself... Another "upsell" like his books, like the upcoming seminar tickets, some "hero" seminar, but the principal is same.. motivation and emotional roller coaster stories and "upsell" another product.. there were few guys who finished all their savings by keep buying into these programs.. One nurse lady, single, in her 50s, spent more than 30k in all of their seminars, combined with, mentorship, forex, property, public speaking etc.. all her life time saving, all that over time she did.... tut tut.
 
There is nothing special or no real expertise offered in business by Eric Ho because all the advice is generic and 90% are motivational. And since all motivational in YouTube videos are sourced from Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich book and the Power of Law of Attraction book etc. The 99% of the motivational gurus use these techniques to elaborate and explain their stories and persuade and convince audience to excite and take action.. And take action you will, by paying £12,000 for 1-year of generic advice and about 5 to 7 appointment with him (since he is out of the country more than half of the year giving seminars)... so how can you meet him possibly even if you want to........ Have you ever noticed that 99% of his previous mentees are completely out of the picture or out of touch after 1-year... ever wonder why? Because it finally sinks into them that it was all bullsh!t and they lost their money! Deep down inside in their heart, they know they lost their money, and there was nothing they could do after 7-day no refund policy!
 
If you, readers, want a motivation then I suggest you go to the horse's mouth i.e. Tony Robbins who revolutionized this game. And it is unfair how Eric Ho and John Lee do it... because they excite audiences through emotional story telling method, where their seminars are held for 2-3 days, long hours, deliberately making the audience tired and making it harder for us to think clearly and decide carefully, and prompting audience to say "yes" to many of rhetorical questions and multiples "hi5" among audiences and then encourage audience by stating they want “joint venture”, “partnerships” with only few select entrepreneurs and the offer is for "today only" sale price, and saying how Eric is only looking for only few partners only so its not for everyone (making it sound exclusive)! And he only wants few mentees only because he already has few of them already... That makes it exclusive and people sign up..... but after few months in the next seminar, he says the same thing and sign more mentees... and from different countries and it all becomes one big "social" group... hence, he loses track in 1 to 1 meetings of your progress and business plan.... and offers motivational advices only.
 
The contract states that you cannot ask for refund after 7-days but its hard to know, for anyone, within 7-days, what value you are getting esp. when the guy is flying around the world giving seminars when, ideally, you want a business mentor that can support you and give your advice in the time of need and hardship, not while he is posting videos of his latest gadget and business flight travels, which you, the mentees, had funded!! The irony is that, Eric present himself as the best son in the world to his parents, giving his father and mother a luxury watches and presents, when his parents, DONT know that its funded by these mentees who have worked hard to save up their money all their life and are paying £12,000! And some have really struggled to put that money together. I recall after a day or two of the seminar, both John Lee and Eric Ho, challenges the audience to see if they can raise money from their banks, friends and families and challenges everyone to make phone call during lunch break and see how much they can possibly raise…… during that day, it stays like that…. But its only until tomorrow or last day, when the offer for the “sale price for today only” is given and subconsciously the audience feels confident to take this offer because they were able to get loans or friends/family were willing to lend them a day before... see the trick??? These guys are experts, professionals in stealing your money!!! Vipers! Snakes! A bad name to Chinese/ Oriental community! A rotten tomatoes in the basket affecting all.
 
They are not different to those gurus, cult leaders, who builds followers and eventually brainwashes then and manipulate them.. its same technique! Eric Ho and John Lee builds followers from YouTube videos showing off gadgets, good lifestyle and happy mentees videos then you end up going to their seminar and hearing their well crafted and devised speeches, do activities, and make you feel they are great people, a guru and then challenging you to raise the money (from friends and family) then hooking you to buy their “sale price for today only” products. And to suck more out of you, there are many upsell in the pipeline...!
 
I saw many old ladies, retired ones, in their 60s running at the back of the room to sign up for a “LIMITED PLACES” only offers – without reading any terms and conditions! Some were signing up for Forex to use their special trading method to make unlimited amount of money whilst trading for half an hour a day! A pictures are shown of people being happy and drinking coffee and trading and making money! I think I should tell my investment banker friend in Canary Wharf to bring all their banker friends and his bosses and learn to trade so they can make all the money in the world in half an hour.... they don't have to invest millions in their sophesticated softwares that trades in micro-seconds and are competing with other banks and institutional investors!! No offence, but what do these retired ladies do to out-beat the investor bankers that uses latest tools, softwares, factors in speculations, world economy, politics, wars, currency fluctuation etc. etc.. Many of these ladies are old enough to be Eric's and John's mother! No mercy, no remorse! One mentee was charged double the normal price because she asked for 6-months extension in the mentorship, and she could not say anything about it..... but she shared her disappointment with us in the group.
 
Please people save your money, and if you are really need inspiration to do business then know one thing for sure...... all these types of motivation seminars are almost bullsh!t! If not ask any real business leaders from Fortune 500 or FTSE 250 companes...... and they will tell you what it really takes, and how competitive, dog eat dog world is out there...... thus the motivation part is only 5% of the business, the other 95% is pure hard work, grit, effort and sleepless nights......... to make it successful. Even that doesn't guarantee it! Almost every industry and sector have very high competition and innovations are quite rare, infrequent, and mainly big companies that invests heavily in Research & Development create it.... The money you need to invest to start the business costs almost double than your initial projection, and it takes twice a long than expected. You are alone, often questioning your own insanity at times, friends almost misunderstands you.... and once you have built your product or brand, then only you realise, you need more money to market it... and without marketing, there is no exposure and no one knows about it... so when you factor it all, the 12k you paid Eric Ho for motivation, was the money that you could have used for building your own business and marketing it...... now you are more broke than before and lack of money de-motivates and stops you from continuing to work on your start-up business. So not only Eric Ho has stolen your money but he has killed your dreams!
 
Please note, motivation gives you energy for temporary time only, maybe a month or two, then you go back to “default” that have built in you since your childhood! So how can one-off 2/3 days seminar change your “default”? It’s like trying to change a habit overnight. Can you? So, you can only change your “default” by consistently grinding through hard times and persevering and pushing through rejections and hard times... and having insatiable desire and hunger to succeed.. thus, only only few makes it? But if you need motivation, just go to the horse's mouth i.e. Tony Robbins who is probably best in the business. Not liars and hypocrite like Eric Ho and John Lee.
 
And if you really need mentor, you need go to real experts, which you can easily find on LinkedIn, industry publications, and surely you won’t have to pay 12k!!! You need experts from the industry you want to specialise in, and have contacts and networks with industry leaders, and can help you to raise finance, and be focused in you as much as you are working on your business, they push you, ask you hard questions, even gives you hard times and sometimes you hate him/her but after getting the results you want... you respect them! Thats the kind of mentor you want... what will Eric Ho and John Lee tell you? Motivate you? what about rest of the 95% grit. They hardly talk about it.. Can they introduce you to any Venture Capitalist? or Private Equity firm or Financial Institutions? Those professionals dislike motivational speakers and don’t even allow them in their circle, believe me! If you want join prestigious business clubs in London, check out London's Capital Club, Club house london, De Amstel Club, etc... and these clubs dont allow motivational gurus, if they find out they are trying to sell seminars or books etc, they are booted out! some clubs asks for your business’s revenue before joining... And these are the clubs where PE firms, VC, bankers, advisory firms i.e. 'Big 4' and 'Magic circle' professionals hang out! This is where you meet real business contacts! This is where you need to be, so they can pull you up to their bracket... not someone who is in your bracket and you have to pay 12k! Motivational gurus like Eric and John wont be allowed near that circle. They will be a laughing stock! Eric and John is just trying to ride off what Tony Robbins have achieved. He is one-off! I remember they said they want to go IPO on stock market! A motivational seminar company on stock market? In which security exchange? In Mars? What investment bank will represent them? In fact, their business is not sustaible in long term because anyone can be a motivational speaker with NLP courses and reading 100s of motivational books out there... you dont need any qualification! Thus, they are all over the YouTube now and ERic Ho and John Lee is getting competition, whether they like it or not!
 
So, find real expertise who can link you to bankers, lawyers, accountants, leading marketer, entrepreneurs.. NOT motivational speakers that post videos flashing their bling bling 3-5 times a day like a teenager! In fact, its so immature! I mean, Eric is like in his mid-30s and his girlfriend Marta (white girl) was a seminar attendee and Eric dumped his then girlfriend Jamie for Marta. And before Marta, the left Jamie for another attendee, her name is Trinity. But when she found out Eric was dating another seminar attendee Anna (with blond hair) she dumped him! All these girls pictures are in his FB, Insta, if you go back time... What’s sad is that Jamie still works for him, H Akademy, and have to face Eric and his new girlfriend... And Eric Ho has the heart to face her everyday with his new girlfriend in the same place. Its all over their social media... its sad! But that should tell you the credibility of the guy that you have to pay 12k!! Of course, I only came to know this all after a 1-year mentorship program and Eric was publicly (In Wats App group) arguing and fighting with another girl called Jadey, who worked for him but she left after realising everything...
A challenge will be find out how well his mentees have done in their business, besides the YouTube video testimonials, since they had taken up his program.. its hard to know their revenuce increase after few months of the program, so their company's financial statement before and after the program should be compared and validated.. Of course no one would do that... Any previous mentees up for that challenge? Well all his mentees disappear after 12 months and new arrivals are excited and buzzing every year… until they cool off at the end of the year, get kicked out from Wats App and FB group……… I hope some of those new mentee reads this and realises how it works with these con artists... Eric Ho is a fraud!
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